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our co-host this week I'm gene Steinberg

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you're in the power cast and I don't

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know what I was in when I was reading

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what a few days ago about some

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astrophysicist connected with the UN and

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he's going to be our ambassador to et

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what the heck is that about I think it's

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a she but I can't tell from those names

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see now I'm going to get all sorts of

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cards and letters how can you not tell

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well no no it sounds kind of fishy to me

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gene well I mean it sounds good you know

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let's have a ambassador or two et don't

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we need one I mean they just discovered

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another minor planet the Goldilocks

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planet they just already got an

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ambassador his name is Steven Greer hey

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can I coffee a little bit ladies and

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gentlemen I'm gonna coffee unkind

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self-appointed ambassador to the

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universe I mean how many ambassadors do

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we need well I think maybe somebody who

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we could trust there you go that's the

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ticket

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and someone said who was a Jack

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Nicholson use the words where's the

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trust

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yeah in the movie a few good men no not

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the movie a few good men as good as it

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yeah you can't handle that truth

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well we don't want to answer that

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because in this show we want you to

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handle the truth

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one other development before you tell us

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what you've discovered this week about

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some new cattle mutilation cases there

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was a press conference featuring Robert

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Hastings and Robert Salas and all sorts

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of ex-military people

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at the National Press Club and it was

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carried live by CNN and got all sorts of

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interview coverage over on cable news

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networks of all sorts even Fox News

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believe it or not I don't believe it but

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gosh uh can you believe it you know I'm

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I'm I'm amazed that you know a 35 year

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old the event should capture the

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imagination of the mainstream press in

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the way that it evidently did although

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reality uncovered did

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I'm post a very interesting article by

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Steven Broadbent that calls into

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question some of the facts that were

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presented I do urge our listeners to to

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do their own research and look at both

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sides of this particular equation but

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it's good to see that we're at least I

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think beginning to get beyond the giggle

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factor when it comes to the mainstream

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press covering UFO related stories and I

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think you're regardless of whether it

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generated you know more than a new

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cycler to's coverage I think it's

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important that the mainstream media's

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you know I think to a certain degree is

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eliminating some of the little green man

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jokes well now they're little gray men

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aren't they but seriously speaking you

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mentioned something here and you created

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the climate for a debate like a great

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debate with Stephen Broadbent who's been

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on the power cast in our early years and

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Robert Hastings do you think we can get

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these two together be a good show well

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you're assigned and you can check that

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out for us but he is of course that UFOs

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are being taken more and more seriously

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certainly the success of Leslie Kane's

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book on UFOs does that got to the top 30

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of a New York Times bestseller list just

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down from all the conservative books

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mm-hmm I'm politics so that's pretty

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good pretty good development good yeah

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there's there may be hope for this field

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yet although sometimes I really have

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problems believing that speaking of hope

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for any field especially the paranormal

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you told me before we started this week

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session that you got wind

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of a new set of cattle mutilation cases

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you know mmm give us the breathing well

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unfortunately it seems that the Hall

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County ranching family has been quietly

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undergoing quite a wave of unusual

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livestock deaths over the past year

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they've lost 20 head I called up the

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hall County Sheriff's Department and

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offered any sort of assistance that I

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could to to help them out in their

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investigation and spoke with the chief

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investigator of the case inspector

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Daniel corn and it's a very curious case

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gene it has some very peculiar elements

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to it including the University of

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Georgia diagnostic lab I think was

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called in to do some forensic testing

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they found an unknown poisoning agent

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that may have been involved in the

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actual cause of death in one of the

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cases and unfortunately there's not

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really a budget there to do the battery

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of tests that that would be needed to

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actually identify what that agent was

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I think fairly factored out of this and

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one of the things that is very peculiar

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middle of Georgia ranching country and

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you have cattle ranches all around this

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one particular ranch and nobody else is

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experiencing any any sort of unusual

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livestock deaths except for this one

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family and the investigators of the case

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are convinced that some perpetrator with

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a sharp implement not a laser or

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anything but sharp like a scalpel or

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sharp knife is is excising these soft

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tissue organs from these animals in it

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it really it really caused a bit of a

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stir CNN covered it it's on a lot of the

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news wires and I think it's going to be

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interesting to see if the trail cams and

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other investigative tools that they're

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you know breaking out to help try to get

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to the bottom of this to be interesting

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to see what kind of results the

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investigators get do you think it's a

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human actor or a paranormal one

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responsible for this well we don't have

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any evidence to suggest that any sort of

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UFOs have been sighted actually no

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military helicopters have been sighted

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it's it's a real mystery

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most of these animals have been found

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right on a creek that runs through the

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property and

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one animal was found immersed into the

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creek we have animals that have bled out

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through their eyes there's there's

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peculiar elements to this and I'm not

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really sure what to make of it

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supposedly there's no poison plants in

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the environment there so that would be

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my first my first guess is that these

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animals are some somehow poisoning

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themselves but that doesn't seem to be

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the case and I think the jury's out and

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I will be you know helping out as best I

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you know officials who are investigating

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these cases so we'll see you know what

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we need basically a forensic

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anthropologist like the woman over in

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the TV show bones don't know they see

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that on Fox I don't watch TV gene you

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don't know you miss all the pop culture

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why you know Hulu guy all right well

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that's how it goes speaking of that you

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still see the shows you know we just

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don't have to pay for the local cable

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provider or have an antenna up on your

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TV I don't have to listen to all those

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darn commercials hey we have darn

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survive forward through them Jane I

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fast-forward through them

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don't tell the network sad I won't

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repeat it okay we've got an interesting

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tale to tell with tonight's guest an

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exclusive story this is going to be

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fascinating tell us about it well I met

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Anthony Sanchez just recently at the

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angel fire paranormal conference and we

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sat down spoke at length about this

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particular scenario he has a book coming

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out in December called UFO highway and

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one of the one of the interesting

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elements in the book is a new

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whistleblower that has come forward he's

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a retired colonel

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and he has a very interesting claim he

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claims that he was part of a team that

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that worked in the notorious alleged

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underground base at Dulce on the Hickory

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Apache Indian Reservation I you know

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working in the San Luis Valley for

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Meniere's which is just about 40 to 60

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miles away from dulce I've always been

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interested in the subject of underground

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bases and in particular in the Dulce

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myth at this point okay

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the important point here up till now we

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regarded dulce as a myth one of the

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youthful ah djegal myths that has arisen

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in recent years well Anthony begs to

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differ with us based on the testimony of

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this Colonel he's done an extensive

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series of interviews he has checked out

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his background he does appear to be who

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he is we're gonna have fun with Anthony

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today on this show because there's some

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very interesting information allegedly

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coming out of this case so hang on to

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your hats and fasten your seat belts

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okay ladies and gentlemen we're going to

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basically get a new slant on the Dulce

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myths from Anthony Sanchez reminder

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neighbors that we have forums where you

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cast calm forum dot para cast calm the

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gene Steinberg you're in the power cast

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and our guest

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Anthony Sanchez author of a forthcoming

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book called UFO highway but we're

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interested this week focusing primarily

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on the dulce interview Chris why'd you

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pick up from here and lead us towards

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the first round of questions Anthony

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welcome to the show first of all as I

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mentioned in the preamble we met at the

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aspe

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angel fire paranormal conference and

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well tell you I was very I was quite

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taken aback by the interesting story

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that he related to me and I instantly

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felt that you would make a great guest

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on the podcast and we welcome you to the

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show what we want to do I think is is

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kind of give our listeners a little

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background on you why don't you tell us

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a little bit about yourself and and how

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you met this enigmatic whistleblower or

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colonel and then we'll get into some of

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the particulars of what the colonel had

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to say about dulce okay my background

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I've been researching UFOs for about 20

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years and I've had a lot of experience

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in the field

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going to various crash sites throughout

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the southwest trying to make vacation

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Sodom out of them but they usually turn

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into work and I never I've never thought

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about writing before until about maybe

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three years ago there had such a massive

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repository of data that I just needed to

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finally get some of the theories and

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ideas that I had out there to the public

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with respect to the areas that I focus

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on which is really alien inhuman

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hybridization I came up with something

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called transformation hypothesis which

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sort of synthesizes data from other

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experts and then lends me the ability to

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formulate my own ideas and I also do a

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lot of work on the harp and Project Blue

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Beam combining the two with respect to

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various conspiracies and they slowly go

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on with that Anthony would you maybe

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clarify to our listeners what that's all

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about

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yeah harvest is stuff is just massive

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radio ray up in Alaska which has been

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connected to various different types of

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activities

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that result from the use of this

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technology some people claim that

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there's the potential for inflicting

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seismic activity anywhere around the

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globe some people say that he has the

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ability to inflict severe weather

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patterns you know so there so there's

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weather manipulation a group then

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there's this other theory which I buy

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heavily into because of some of the

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research that I've done which

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essentially mean HAARP technology is it

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has the ability to essentially burn the

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ionosphere and create temporary plasma

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fields that are controllable for you

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know undetermined periods of times which

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can then be used as a pretty much a

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screen that you can project a live 3d

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motion imagery upon imagine walking out

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of your house looking up and seeing the

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USS Defiant above your house I have

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evidence that they can do that I mean it

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says that that's possible and I've

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uncovered evidence in some documents

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that were released with quotes made by

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the program manager of HAARP who works

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out of the AFRL the Air Force Research

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Laboratory and one of the high ranking

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senior engineers of a part of the heart

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program there's some very very very

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interesting comments that they made they

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will be in my book UFO highway there's

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one thing here about all this is if we

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have something that can create images of

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that nature does that mean that

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sometimes UFO sightings and other events

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are created in that fashion absolutely

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and that's one of the theories that I

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discussed you know heavily in the book

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is that you know many of the UFO

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sightings that are seeing you know

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around the world are you know possibly

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projections that are being facilitated

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through HAARP technology and that ties

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directly into Project Blue Beam and in

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the old days Project Blue Beam was

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essentially this conspiracy that was

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about espousing a new age religion upon

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the global populace however that has now

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metamorphosize and has become something

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else entirely because of politics

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and because of advancements in

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technology and the changing world I mean

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when you look at the world and how its

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evolved you know you have new countries

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you have new border lines you have new

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enemies you have new allies things

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change and so the utilization of HAARP

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technology moving forward is going to be

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through potentially Project Blue Beam

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which is again involved into something

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entirely which is now going to be used

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to manipulate a specific geopolitical

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region for instance imagine a bunch of

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people in Palestine walking out of their

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homes and seeing an image of some

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Islamic deity or like like the Prophet

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Muhammad telling them something freaking

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him out and then you know triggering a

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massive type of conflict between them

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and and Israel something we've never

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even seen before something beyond what

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we've seen now I mean those are the

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types of things that can do so I mean

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it's not limited to just one area you

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know one of the things that I talk a lot

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about with Norio Hayakawa is you know

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well how would something like this be

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implemented within the confines of the

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United States it's possible that you

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know we can be exchanging some type of a

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UFO event right right now as a matter of

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fact I'm writing an editorial a piece on

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why we're seeing such heavy practices of

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disclosure coming out you have this new

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shell of the event on NBC

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you have the Vatican and you have the

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Vatican you know things that they're

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going to baptize valiance if we find

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them I mean we should mention by the way

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those of you who haven't seen the TV

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show of the event okay it's on NBC on

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Monday evenings and it's one of those

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serialized dramas action dramas with

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science-fiction overtones and let me

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give you the spoiler ladies and

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gentlemen the spoiler is that a number

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of years ago like 60 some odd years ago

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aliens landed a crash-landed and they

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were captured by the military

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authorities they're being kept prisoner

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and I guess now there's an effort as I

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gathered for them they're humanoid

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creatures with subtle differences from

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humans in the sense they live much

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longer they don't age as fast that

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they're trying now I guess to rebell so

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you know that's part of it and you know

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we'll have to see how it turns out we'll

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have to see the show even last because a

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lot of these shows nevertheless let me

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ask you a couple of quick questions here

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the thing I gather here this UFO highway

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book is it going to focus primarily on

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efforts or possibilities of

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disinformation with regard to UFOs not

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necessarily when I wrote the majority of

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the HAARP project blooming section I

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actually focused on an area that I call

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a transient digital audio phenomena

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which is unique discovery I don't think

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I made the discovery but I think I'm the

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one who's writing about it first

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people that live very close to base

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transceiver systems which are cell

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towers we found this unique scenario

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where like a family will be living in a

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home within three to five miles of a

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base transceiver system and two members

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of the family will hear something and

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they'll like be in different areas of

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the home but they'll both walk collect

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let's say the garage listen did you hear

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something coming from the garage so you

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have this directed you know you have

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this directed you know digital signals

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that are occurring that certain people

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are picking up on because this year a

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very close brainwave frequency get into

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the dangerous cell towers and a lot more

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in our next section we have Anthony

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Sanchez the book coming up later this

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year UFO highway and we'll start

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focusing on what he's learned about

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Dulce in a short time the co-host is

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Chris O'Brien I'm gene Steinberger in

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[Music]

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okay neighbors here's the problem

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face to face business meetings with

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clients and colleagues are always going

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to be important but business travel is a

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hassle that's often a complete waste of

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money well here's a solution for you do

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more travel less with goto meeting goto

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[Applause]

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we have Anthony Sanchez joining us some

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the power cast this week I'm gene

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Steinberg the co-host is Chris O'Brien

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and we were talking about his

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forthcoming book UFO highway and you're

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getting an exclusive look at some of the

649
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things that he's learned and put

650
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together for this book including the

651
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:39,620
revelation is about Dulce but right now

652
00:27:44,260 --> 00:27:42,170
we're talking about cell towers so if

653
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:44,270
you're near a cell tower it's affecting

654
00:27:51,789 --> 00:27:48,770
your brainwaves right right okay so we

655
00:27:53,950 --> 00:27:51,799
found a scenario whereby families who

656
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live within a close proximity of base

657
00:27:59,440 --> 00:27:56,200
transceiver systems bunch of cell towers

658
00:28:01,570 --> 00:27:59,450
why we found you know families who live

659
00:28:03,930 --> 00:28:01,580
close to base transceiver systems these

660
00:28:07,690 --> 00:28:03,940
cell towers they're getting this

661
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directed digital signals you know maybe

662
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in the direction of their home and

663
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certain people live in the family well

664
00:28:15,510 --> 00:28:12,830
are picking up on this because they

665
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share a very close brainwave frequency

666
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and throughout my research and I'm not a

667
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specialist on the brain but I'm a you

668
00:28:24,130 --> 00:28:21,530
know researcher and one of the things I

669
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found was that like fingerprints

670
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:27,260
the human brain wave each human has

671
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their own frequencies that they operate

672
00:28:34,860 --> 00:28:32,570
on but it does fall within a range so

673
00:28:37,930 --> 00:28:34,870
you can have a very very close

674
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patterning to somebody else the

675
00:28:43,330 --> 00:28:40,730
frequency repattern within that range

676
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that you'll both pick up on so it's kind

677
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of like tuning in to an AM station not

678
00:28:48,970 --> 00:28:47,510
quite getting it but they're almost

679
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there but you can hear you can make it

680
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out so that is harmful oh I really hate

681
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to interrupt but is this harmful I don't

682
00:29:00,750 --> 00:28:57,980
think that there is any significant

683
00:29:03,039 --> 00:29:00,760
evidence proving that it's harmful

684
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:03,049
because we have radio waves going

685
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through our body you know millions of

686
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times a second all throughout the day

687
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:09,320
and essentially this is just a

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manipulation of these types of radio

689
00:29:20,169 --> 00:29:18,260
waves so and I do I do actually document

690
00:29:24,510 --> 00:29:20,179
in the book you know the various ranges

691
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the different types of frequencies and

692
00:29:30,220 --> 00:29:27,169
radio waves and microwaves that were

693
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used with the various technologies as

694
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part of these base transceiver systems

695
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which are incidentally in every

696
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Ingle major metropolitan area within the

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United States and now outside extending

698
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to the rural areas I mean you pretty

699
00:29:50,269 --> 00:29:47,220
much you know unless you're you know up

700
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at the I was gonna what support algae I

701
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was gonna say unless you're up at the

702
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top of the plateau a much let'em a step

703
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but no they even got towers up there now

704
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Anthony Anthony let me let me just kind

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of break in here for a minute that's a

706
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pretty that's a pretty interesting claim

707
00:30:07,999 --> 00:30:05,309
and you know putting on my skeptic hat

708
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here for a moment why haven't we heard

709
00:30:12,950 --> 00:30:10,409
any reports from people that have had

710
00:30:14,419 --> 00:30:12,960
this type of strange kind of effect

711
00:30:15,649 --> 00:30:14,429
happened to them this is the first that

712
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:15,659
I've heard of it there's hundreds of

713
00:30:20,450 --> 00:30:18,210
cell towers around the country why I

714
00:30:22,820 --> 00:30:20,460
don't heard anything about this because

715
00:30:24,619 --> 00:30:22,830
this is closely affiliated with

716
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something that most people don't want to

717
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talk about and that is it'sif Renia you

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know when you start talking about you're

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hearing voices in your head you start

720
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sending out signals to people and they

721
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don't want to they essentially don't

722
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want to touch the subject so it's a very

723
00:30:43,639 --> 00:30:41,940
very taboo thing to talk about and and I

724
00:30:46,279 --> 00:30:43,649
you know through my research have found

725
00:30:48,740 --> 00:30:46,289
it this has absolutely nothing to do

726
00:30:51,019 --> 00:30:48,750
with schizophrenia there's no relation

727
00:30:53,419 --> 00:30:51,029
loss whatsoever under than other than

728
00:30:55,159 --> 00:30:53,429
the coincidence that you know you're

729
00:30:58,159 --> 00:30:55,169
hearing things in your head

730
00:31:00,019 --> 00:30:58,169
schizophrenia is derived from something

731
00:31:03,259 --> 00:31:00,029
else completely different and has

732
00:31:06,289 --> 00:31:03,269
nothing to do with the types of signals

733
00:31:08,570 --> 00:31:06,299
that are being facilitated and sent out

734
00:31:10,519 --> 00:31:08,580
through these base transceiver systems

735
00:31:12,769 --> 00:31:10,529
have there been any studies that look at

736
00:31:15,710 --> 00:31:12,779
the the adverse effect of cell tower

737
00:31:17,090 --> 00:31:15,720
transmissions on on the human brain do

738
00:31:19,369 --> 00:31:17,100
you know of any studies that have been

739
00:31:23,060 --> 00:31:19,379
done there are actual studies out there

740
00:31:25,610 --> 00:31:23,070
that I do list in the book with regards

741
00:31:27,289 --> 00:31:25,620
to like very academic academic

742
00:31:30,619 --> 00:31:27,299
institutions who've talked about the

743
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:30,629
potentials of harm of these signals

744
00:31:36,049 --> 00:31:32,850
being sent out from the the cell towers

745
00:31:37,700 --> 00:31:36,059
but this minute I know I think this has

746
00:31:39,919 --> 00:31:37,710
a lot to do with the fact that you know

747
00:31:42,250 --> 00:31:39,929
you have a heavy investment from the

748
00:31:46,129 --> 00:31:42,260
private sector from the private sector

749
00:31:47,489 --> 00:31:46,139
in in the placement of these close to

750
00:31:49,589 --> 00:31:47,499
homes I mean

751
00:31:52,060 --> 00:31:49,599
there are people who are going to pay

752
00:31:54,249 --> 00:31:52,070
$10,000 a month to have one of these

753
00:31:56,289 --> 00:31:54,259
things erected in the backyard of their

754
00:31:58,989 --> 00:31:56,299
home along because they're a long side

755
00:32:01,149 --> 00:31:58,999
of freeway you know and people don't

756
00:32:03,699 --> 00:32:01,159
want to argue with receiving $10,000 a

757
00:32:06,339 --> 00:32:03,709
month and these major corporate

758
00:32:08,859 --> 00:32:06,349
conglomerates who are who make up the

759
00:32:11,469 --> 00:32:08,869
cellphone industry and wireless

760
00:32:14,019 --> 00:32:11,479
industries you know they do everything

761
00:32:16,239 --> 00:32:14,029
that is within their power to make sure

762
00:32:20,859 --> 00:32:16,249
that no negative statements about the

763
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:20,869
technology make it out you know to the

764
00:32:25,089 --> 00:32:23,450
public well you also know Anthony that

765
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people for example have their new

766
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iPhones or whatever they demand proper

767
00:32:33,969 --> 00:32:31,039
or good quality telephone and data

768
00:32:37,180 --> 00:32:33,979
service and you get into a lot of cities

769
00:32:40,060 --> 00:32:37,190
they have lousy cell tower network

770
00:32:42,369 --> 00:32:40,070
installations of course the wireless

771
00:32:44,829 --> 00:32:42,379
carriers are doing anything possibly

772
00:32:46,989 --> 00:32:44,839
desperately trying to get those towers

773
00:32:48,069 --> 00:32:46,999
erected of course in some towns of

774
00:32:49,749 --> 00:32:48,079
course it can be done easily I

775
00:32:51,909 --> 00:32:49,759
understand in Texas you can do one in

776
00:32:57,579 --> 00:32:51,919
three weeks in San Francisco it's more

777
00:33:00,639 --> 00:32:57,589
like three years there's a lot of red

778
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:00,649
tape that's easily you know slice

779
00:33:04,889 --> 00:33:02,570
through when it comes with regards to

780
00:33:07,509 --> 00:33:04,899
you know the your typical bureaucratic

781
00:33:09,039 --> 00:33:07,519
type of holdups it but now I'm going to

782
00:33:10,779 --> 00:33:09,049
take place they just don't happen with

783
00:33:12,579 --> 00:33:10,789
weather when you're talking about the

784
00:33:15,369 --> 00:33:12,589
cell phone industry these things gonna

785
00:33:17,379 --> 00:33:15,379
record everywhere and if quickly it's

786
00:33:24,339 --> 00:33:17,389
possible as I said except for San

787
00:33:26,769 --> 00:33:24,349
Francisco right what is the connection

788
00:33:29,199 --> 00:33:26,779
between the this particular cell tower

789
00:33:31,060 --> 00:33:29,209
scenario in HAARP and the actual Gwen

790
00:33:33,789 --> 00:33:31,070
towers the ground warning emergency

791
00:33:37,989 --> 00:33:33,799
network tower system is there is there a

792
00:33:41,229 --> 00:33:37,999
similar type of concern in relation to

793
00:33:46,569 --> 00:33:41,239
the Gwen towers which replace yeah yeah

794
00:33:52,949 --> 00:33:46,579
I think you know spective of whether

795
00:33:56,529 --> 00:33:52,959
it's you know the Glen towers or the the

796
00:34:01,270 --> 00:33:56,539
base transceiver systems they're both

797
00:34:02,980 --> 00:34:01,280
you know potentially you know usable by

798
00:34:04,299 --> 00:34:02,990
the power should be you know to

799
00:34:06,700 --> 00:34:04,309
facilitate that type of a scenario

800
00:34:09,419 --> 00:34:06,710
Project Blue Beam scenario so we're

801
00:34:13,270 --> 00:34:09,429
talking about the mass manipulation in

802
00:34:15,580 --> 00:34:13,280
of the populace basically with certain

803
00:34:18,010 --> 00:34:15,590
frequencies that are known to generate

804
00:34:19,930 --> 00:34:18,020
and elicit fairly predictable responses

805
00:34:21,909 --> 00:34:19,940
and humans right that's right because

806
00:34:25,180 --> 00:34:21,919
that certain frequencies you can trigger

807
00:34:27,909 --> 00:34:25,190
emotional responses and even behavioral

808
00:34:30,820 --> 00:34:27,919
responses so you can pick out a certain

809
00:34:32,950 --> 00:34:30,830
group people piss them off and see what

810
00:34:36,129 --> 00:34:32,960
watch what happens what happens if they

811
00:34:38,139 --> 00:34:36,139
broadcast a plea to the populace to vote

812
00:34:41,349 --> 00:34:38,149
for Sarah Palin in 2012 I think we're

813
00:34:43,359 --> 00:34:41,359
all be in trouble you see ladies and

814
00:34:45,909 --> 00:34:43,369
gentlemen as much as we try we can't

815
00:34:48,099 --> 00:34:45,919
avoid politics we're talking about

816
00:34:50,169 --> 00:34:48,109
Alaska as a matter of well that's where

817
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:50,179
gal Kona is so that's where HAARP is so

818
00:34:53,980 --> 00:34:51,530
I just figured I'd throw that one in

819
00:34:57,339 --> 00:34:53,990
there yeah okay but you can see Russia

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from her window well maybe it's because

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of the brain waves or laughs well you

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know what they might have a cell tower

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right there but again as I said let's

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not get into politics insofar as this is

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involved though but okay as a point of

826
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reference here if you're mentioning this

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in a UFO book aren't you conveying the

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possibility there that somehow this sort

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of technology is used in connection with

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UFO sightings UFO cases even insofar as

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faking them yeah I think they can

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definitely use these to fake a massive

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UFO sighting what if they want to incite

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some type of events then what if they

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want to trigger the populace to react

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adversely and you know rush into these

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FEMA camps or something you know how

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they going to do that well if you have a

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fleet of UFOs over your home and you

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know and your and the media the

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controlled media is sending all these

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messages through radio and television

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that some major event is happening and

844
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everybody rush to your local Fema camp

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there's going to be National Guard

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posted outside you know you know

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soldiers supposed to that size into

848
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directing it to the right place I mean

849
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that that could be it's an area that's

850
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just one scenario that we could be

851
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looking at

852
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how yeah all right we'll have to explore

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that as we progress in this show but

854
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also I want to get to Dulce very soon

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because obviously that's our headline

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subject we have Anthony Sanchez he's a

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longtime UFO investigator his

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forthcoming book is called UFO highway

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podcast we have Anthony Sanchez joining

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us this week and he has a new book

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coming out called UFO highway we'll talk

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about the book as we progress but right

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now he's talking about technology that

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can be used to cause people to think

981
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they see a UFO does the book primarily

982
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focus on this sort of thing or do you

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intermingle this with actual cases I

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actually have some documented cases of

985
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the transient digital audio phenomena

986
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but not so much where people are

987
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actually seeing that UFO know all right

988
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let's go to the pace the resistance here

989
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delcie now those of you who are very

990
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seriously inclined and UFOs think that's

991
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disinformation a hoax whatever before

992
00:42:10,290 --> 00:42:08,380
you tell us about your encounter with

993
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this whistleblower what is the

994
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conventional wisdom about what that's

995
00:42:18,240 --> 00:42:14,320
used for Dulce you know I have to tell

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you that initially I before I answer

997
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that question I have to let me if I have

998
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to preface this it's it's really really

999
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important when I when I begin writing

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this book about three years ago this

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book had nothing to do with Dulce I

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never planned on writing about Dulce in

1003
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:31,210
fact I never believed any of the Dulce

1004
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stories I've been researching UFOs for

1005
00:42:38,850 --> 00:42:35,980
20 years I've been following John Lear

1006
00:42:40,410 --> 00:42:38,860
and nor know Hayakawa since 1990

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I've heard about the Dulce stories I've

1008
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heard about Phil Schneider I've heard

1009
00:42:46,290 --> 00:42:43,390
about Paul bennewitz I've heard about

1010
00:42:48,180 --> 00:42:46,300
Thomas Castello I just this was

1011
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:48,190
something that just held really no

1012
00:42:51,510 --> 00:42:49,930
interest for me now most people know

1013
00:42:53,790 --> 00:42:51,520
this I am a software engineer and I

1014
00:42:56,340 --> 00:42:53,800
worked in a high level engineering

1015
00:42:58,800 --> 00:42:56,350
capacity for major semiconductor company

1016
00:43:01,560 --> 00:42:58,810
here in Northern California while there

1017
00:43:04,740 --> 00:43:01,570
I met somebody who was working in the

1018
00:43:06,900 --> 00:43:04,750
technical capacity who I later found out

1019
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:06,910
was working under an assumed identity

1020
00:43:10,980 --> 00:43:09,490
and it had been AWOL from a federal

1021
00:43:12,870 --> 00:43:10,990
contract where they had been working on

1022
00:43:14,730 --> 00:43:12,880
the Excite alite defense system they had

1023
00:43:17,100 --> 00:43:14,740
some day had some type of conscience

1024
00:43:18,630 --> 00:43:17,110
objection decided to go any wall anyhow

1025
00:43:21,270 --> 00:43:18,640
they contacted me because they knew of

1026
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:21,280
my UFO blog and gave me a bunch of

1027
00:43:25,110 --> 00:43:23,410
information and this is the person that

1028
00:43:29,130 --> 00:43:25,120
I ended up meaning the colonel through

1029
00:43:30,720 --> 00:43:29,140
and only because of the believability of

1030
00:43:34,410 --> 00:43:30,730
the testimony of the vetting that I

1031
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:34,420
performed on the colonel did I decide to

1032
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:36,850
write about Dulce now I I didn't realize

1033
00:43:41,820 --> 00:43:39,970
how strong of a subject this was nobody

1034
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:41,830
even knows that I that I wrote about

1035
00:43:47,130 --> 00:43:45,370
human origins was that I study hard from

1036
00:43:48,810 --> 00:43:47,140
Project Blue Beam the two main areas

1037
00:43:51,780 --> 00:43:48,820
that I've been working on them for like

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00:43:53,700 --> 00:43:51,790
the past you know two decades this Dulce

1039
00:43:55,710 --> 00:43:53,710
think is completely overtaking my book

1040
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you off the highway and I'm happy

1041
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because it's giving me a lot of exposure

1042
00:44:01,700 --> 00:43:59,260
but I'm a little bit dismayed because

1043
00:44:03,720 --> 00:44:01,710
people are not going to pay attention

1044
00:44:06,210 --> 00:44:03,730
potentially to my transformation I

1045
00:44:08,370 --> 00:44:06,220
bought this in my connection my heart

1046
00:44:10,380 --> 00:44:08,380
Project Blue Beam connection so the

1047
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:10,390
Dulles II business came about because of

1048
00:44:14,730 --> 00:44:12,850
this meeting with this Colonel so many

1049
00:44:17,550 --> 00:44:14,740
so many interesting things were were

1050
00:44:19,740 --> 00:44:17,560
presented on the table immediately after

1051
00:44:21,180 --> 00:44:19,750
meeting the guy that I had to take a

1052
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serious look at it and that's why I

1053
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called him Nora Hayakawa one I knew he

1054
00:44:28,830 --> 00:44:25,900
was a well-known expert on the dulce

1055
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subject to I knew he had a skeptical

1056
00:44:34,170 --> 00:44:31,660
perspective of about 99% of the

1057
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information that was out there on Dulce

1058
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and that's what I needed to keep me

1059
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grounded with regard to this information

1060
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because some of it is just really really

1061
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out there back up a second Anthony you

1062
00:44:47,190 --> 00:44:44,710
said did you vetted this whistleblower

1063
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how did you how did you check him out to

1064
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see if he was what he claimed to be got

1065
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two things

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the first thing I did was his with the

1067
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full cooperation of the colonel as we

1068
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filed a standard form 180 to be the

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military custodian of records that would

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be your national personnel records

1071
00:45:07,140 --> 00:45:04,810
Center for the military personnel what

1072
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:07,150
you get in return is a dd-214 now I'm

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very familiar with this practice because

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I own a company in California that I

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have a multiple award schedule I want

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CMAs I'm allowed to hire active duty

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reservists and a retired or students and

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veterans you know if they're qualified

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and they meet the qualifications of the

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bidding on which which comes through

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RFP I get points because I'm hiring a

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veteran or I'm hiring an actively

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reservists and almost every single RFP

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that I've been on if there's equality if

1088
00:45:45,330 --> 00:45:43,870
there's the requirement for you know

1089
00:45:47,310 --> 00:45:45,340
additional personnel like a networking

1090
00:45:49,950 --> 00:45:47,320
or programming or anything of that sort

1091
00:45:52,290 --> 00:45:49,960
I I go out of my way to try to find

1092
00:45:54,390 --> 00:45:52,300
these people so I'm familiar with file

1093
00:45:57,060 --> 00:45:54,400
in the standard formula Navy in this

1094
00:45:59,480 --> 00:45:57,070
instance I had the colonel actually file

1095
00:46:01,740 --> 00:45:59,490
but I filed with me being a witness

1096
00:46:04,140 --> 00:46:01,750
everything was filled I saw a Social

1097
00:46:07,110 --> 00:46:04,150
Security number I saw his a full name I

1098
00:46:10,890 --> 00:46:07,120
saw his his service number I saw

1099
00:46:13,950 --> 00:46:10,900
everything then we I physically mailed

1100
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:13,960
that and then we were seeing it back to

1101
00:46:19,500 --> 00:46:16,570
my P o box and then we opened it

1102
00:46:22,410 --> 00:46:19,510
together and I was able to scan the

1103
00:46:24,540 --> 00:46:22,420
document immediately from from the

1104
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:24,550
packet and I know it's real it's real

1105
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:26,290
and I'm going to have this in the book

1106
00:46:30,450 --> 00:46:28,090
I'm going to make it available in UFO

1107
00:46:31,830 --> 00:46:30,460
highway comm and I want everyone and

1108
00:46:33,930 --> 00:46:31,840
it's out there to go ahead and

1109
00:46:36,090 --> 00:46:33,940
scrutinize it because it is the real

1110
00:46:38,310 --> 00:46:36,100
deal this is not a fake document I'm not

1111
00:46:40,110 --> 00:46:38,320
going to prison for forging a federal

1112
00:46:43,410 --> 00:46:40,120
document this is a real document and

1113
00:46:45,540 --> 00:46:43,420
it's there for England who would like to

1114
00:46:48,090 --> 00:46:45,550
scrutinize it there's ending of energy

1115
00:46:50,310 --> 00:46:48,100
going to reveal his real name no there's

1116
00:46:51,810 --> 00:46:50,320
been redacted so you won't know Social

1117
00:46:52,950 --> 00:46:51,820
Security numbers you won't know his real

1118
00:46:53,970 --> 00:46:52,960
name but everything else is available

1119
00:46:56,430 --> 00:46:53,980
okay

1120
00:46:59,580 --> 00:46:56,440
and this is the reason why the DD 214

1121
00:47:03,450 --> 00:46:59,590
was it was the most important aspect of

1122
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:03,460
this story he told me on my DD 214

1123
00:47:07,470 --> 00:47:04,810
there is going to be

1124
00:47:09,060 --> 00:47:07,480
clue you need to find it and you need to

1125
00:47:12,450 --> 00:47:09,070
research it and that will prove to you

1126
00:47:15,240 --> 00:47:12,460
that I was where I said I was so what I

1127
00:47:18,150 --> 00:47:15,250
did was just yeah I did exactly that and

1128
00:47:20,240 --> 00:47:18,160
I found a line entry under Section 18 is

1129
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:20,250
the DD 214 which was the remarks section

1130
00:47:25,890 --> 00:47:23,890
that was that immediately stood out to

1131
00:47:28,770 --> 00:47:25,900
me because it just didn't make any sense

1132
00:47:30,270 --> 00:47:28,780
it had I'm actually trying to look I'm

1133
00:47:33,450 --> 00:47:30,280
trying to bring it up right now to look

1134
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:33,460
at it yes it had a line that read real

1135
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:39,490
arriba Co comma DSD - 3 and I didn't

1136
00:47:44,700 --> 00:47:42,370
understand what that was and I knew from

1137
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:44,710
my research that Rio Arriba County is

1138
00:47:51,060 --> 00:47:46,810
where Dulce is now actually the full

1139
00:47:54,420 --> 00:47:51,070
line is 1 4 n 4 comma staff and then and

1140
00:47:58,380 --> 00:47:54,430
then time to seize Rio Arriba Co comma

1141
00:48:00,330 --> 00:47:58,390
DSP - 3 I only knew what DSD - 3 minutes

1142
00:48:02,610 --> 00:48:00,340
through him because he told me but I

1143
00:48:05,790 --> 00:48:02,620
researched it and the only thing that I

1144
00:48:08,130 --> 00:48:05,800
could find was from the from the DIA

1145
00:48:12,230 --> 00:48:08,140
that the the defense intelligence

1146
00:48:15,030 --> 00:48:12,240
intelligence agency they had a DSD 3

1147
00:48:18,870 --> 00:48:15,040
designation but it came years after the

1148
00:48:20,910 --> 00:48:18,880
colonel had already retired for the for

1149
00:48:23,850 --> 00:48:20,920
the BIA it was a general military

1150
00:48:25,170 --> 00:48:23,860
intelligence Support Division but my

1151
00:48:27,690 --> 00:48:25,180
research told me that this thing came

1152
00:48:30,630 --> 00:48:27,700
out years years after he had already

1153
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:30,640
retired the colonel told me the DSP 3

1154
00:48:36,720 --> 00:48:33,010
since was stood for Dulce Security

1155
00:48:39,300 --> 00:48:36,730
Division three and thirteen the mean the

1156
00:48:40,950 --> 00:48:39,310
three primary branches who operate there

1157
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:40,960
at Dulce which are the Air Force the

1158
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:44,530
Army and the Navy one for n for one for

1159
00:48:52,980 --> 00:48:47,890
n for actually came back at the as an

1160
00:48:54,330 --> 00:48:52,990
intelligence as an intelligence code you

1161
00:48:55,650 --> 00:48:54,340
know personnel code a personnel code

1162
00:49:02,700 --> 00:48:55,660
sorry I'm at a loss for words right now

1163
00:49:05,550 --> 00:49:02,710
but I called I called the Bureau of

1164
00:49:07,350 --> 00:49:05,560
Indian Affairs so I'm like I said under

1165
00:49:11,010 --> 00:49:07,360
Section 18 of the remarks section I

1166
00:49:12,270 --> 00:49:11,020
found this one for n for staff really

1167
00:49:14,250 --> 00:49:12,280
bikini bfd3

1168
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:14,260
and that was the proof of the existence

1169
00:49:18,720 --> 00:49:17,770
for me that's something we from the

1170
00:49:21,150 --> 00:49:18,730
military

1171
00:49:22,830 --> 00:49:21,160
was there in Dulce now I called the

1172
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:22,840
National personnel records Center in st.

1173
00:49:29,630 --> 00:49:25,530
Louis Missouri I had to make an

1174
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:29,640
admission here I accidentally sent said

1175
00:49:33,990 --> 00:49:32,050
New Orleans when I was on the Jared

1176
00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:34,000
Crippen show that's because my son my

1177
00:49:38,730 --> 00:49:36,250
son is there Norwich Saints fan and when

1178
00:49:39,930 --> 00:49:38,740
I think Louis st. Louis in the safe I

1179
00:49:40,530 --> 00:49:39,940
just mix them up for whatever reason

1180
00:49:42,450 --> 00:49:40,540
anyhow

1181
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:42,460
okay well anyway those who listen to the

1182
00:49:46,620 --> 00:49:44,410
other show are now being corrected

1183
00:49:48,900 --> 00:49:46,630
that's right so I click acted the

1184
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:48,910
military personnel records custodian and

1185
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:50,650
I specifically asked them to tell me

1186
00:49:58,380 --> 00:49:55,570
like this Rio Arriba CEO comma D s D 3 D

1187
00:50:00,180 --> 00:49:58,390
F D - 3 means and the responses that

1188
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:00,190
they did not know what it meant at all

1189
00:50:04,830 --> 00:50:02,530
that there was no code or definition

1190
00:50:06,630 --> 00:50:04,840
referring to those terms at all that

1191
00:50:07,950 --> 00:50:06,640
they knew up so I then called the

1192
00:50:09,270 --> 00:50:07,960
National Archives and Records

1193
00:50:12,150 --> 00:50:09,280
Administration in College Park Maryland

1194
00:50:13,859 --> 00:50:12,160
I asked him the same question now this

1195
00:50:15,990 --> 00:50:13,869
is the call that had me wondering at

1196
00:50:20,550 --> 00:50:16,000
first the custodian er spokes who said

1197
00:50:22,710 --> 00:50:20,560
that Rio Arriba Co DSD 3 was a

1198
00:50:24,300 --> 00:50:22,720
classified designation and they could

1199
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:24,310
not tell me anything about it

1200
00:50:30,210 --> 00:50:27,850
then upon subsequent calls back it as if

1201
00:50:31,410 --> 00:50:30,220
I were experiencing deja vu I was told

1202
00:50:34,050 --> 00:50:31,420
that they didn't know what the term

1203
00:50:35,910 --> 00:50:34,060
meant just like they had told me in st.

1204
00:50:36,780 --> 00:50:35,920
Louis Missouri at the National personnel

1205
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:36,790
records Center

1206
00:50:41,250 --> 00:50:38,770
what incidentally which is where I had

1207
00:50:42,230 --> 00:50:41,260
filed the standard form 184 for the

1208
00:50:45,450 --> 00:50:42,240
dd-214

1209
00:50:47,930 --> 00:50:45,460
but not to be discouraged in all this I

1210
00:50:50,430 --> 00:50:47,940
called the township of Dulce New Mexico

1211
00:50:52,650 --> 00:50:50,440
specifically I called the Department of

1212
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:52,660
the Interior Bureau of Indian Affairs

1213
00:50:57,990 --> 00:50:55,090
the southwestern region for the Korean

1214
00:51:00,390 --> 00:50:58,000
agency and I asked him is there anything

1215
00:51:01,950 --> 00:51:00,400
is there any type of military presence

1216
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:01,960
of air in the town of Dulce New Mexico

1217
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:04,690
or in Rio Arriba County I'll tell you

1218
00:51:08,370 --> 00:51:06,490
what Anthony we'll have to break here

1219
00:51:10,650 --> 00:51:08,380
but I'll pursue this in our next section

1220
00:51:12,300 --> 00:51:10,660
I'm also quite sure that you listener is

1221
00:51:14,250 --> 00:51:12,310
going to have a lot to say in our forums

1222
00:51:17,820 --> 00:51:14,260
at forum dot para cast com

1223
00:51:18,660 --> 00:51:17,830
that's forum podcast calm and if you're

1224
00:51:21,330 --> 00:51:18,670
not a member

1225
00:51:24,030 --> 00:51:21,340
why not all you have to do is sign up at

1226
00:51:25,410 --> 00:51:24,040
the forum go ahead and get yourself a

1227
00:51:27,540 --> 00:51:25,420
member named answered the

1228
00:51:29,700 --> 00:51:27,550
acknowledgement email and then you're

1229
00:51:30,860 --> 00:51:29,710
ready to participate and I bet you

1230
00:51:32,660 --> 00:51:30,870
listener is going to have

1231
00:51:35,060 --> 00:51:32,670
to say about this episode we have

1232
00:51:38,210 --> 00:51:35,070
Anthony Sanchez his forthcoming book is

1233
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:38,220
UFO highway we're exploring Dulce in New

1234
00:51:42,650 --> 00:51:40,770
Mexico what's it all about the co-host

1235
00:51:51,650 --> 00:51:42,660
is Chris O'Brien I'm gene Steinberg

1236
00:51:53,690 --> 00:51:51,660
you're in the para cast hi this is Ted

1237
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:53,700
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1250
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1251
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1252
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1253
00:52:28,190 --> 00:52:27,750
a private bank having a led back at

1254
00:52:29,990 --> 00:52:28,200
interest

1255
00:52:31,820 --> 00:52:30,000
forcing taxes to service debt this

1256
00:52:33,290 --> 00:52:31,830
capitalism or was Jefferson correct when

1257
00:52:34,910 --> 00:52:33,300
stating a central bank issuing the

1258
00:52:36,050 --> 00:52:34,920
public currency is a greater menace to

1259
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:36,060
the liberties of the people than a

1260
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:37,410
standing army today understand I'm

1261
00:52:40,670 --> 00:52:38,850
placing a free silver dollar in a book

1262
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:40,680
that explains our monetary system call

1263
00:52:50,530 --> 00:52:44,130
for your copy 800 686 to 237 it's time

1264
00:52:50,540 --> 00:52:54,540
[Music]

1265
00:53:00,190 --> 00:52:57,370
welcome back to the pear cast the gold

1266
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:00,200
standard of paranormal radio and now

1267
00:53:10,240 --> 00:53:08,450
here's Jean Steinberg Anthony Sanchez

1268
00:53:12,010 --> 00:53:10,250
continuing his discussion about

1269
00:53:14,230 --> 00:53:12,020
discovering this kernel this

1270
00:53:16,060 --> 00:53:14,240
whistleblower about Dulce New Mexico and

1271
00:53:18,340 --> 00:53:16,070
what's going on there the co-host is

1272
00:53:19,780 --> 00:53:18,350
Chris O'Brien I'm gene Steinberg we were

1273
00:53:21,820 --> 00:53:19,790
in the para cast okay

1274
00:53:24,420 --> 00:53:21,830
Anthony let's continue with the

1275
00:53:27,250 --> 00:53:24,430
information you unearthed absolutely so

1276
00:53:29,500 --> 00:53:27,260
not to be discouraged after calling the

1277
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:29,510
military personnel records custodian in

1278
00:53:33,700 --> 00:53:32,450
both st. Louis Missouri and then the

1279
00:53:35,890 --> 00:53:33,710
National Archives and Records

1280
00:53:37,630 --> 00:53:35,900
Administration across Maryland whereas I

1281
00:53:39,190 --> 00:53:37,640
was now being told that they don't know

1282
00:53:42,330 --> 00:53:39,200
what that stuff means what those terms

1283
00:53:46,170 --> 00:53:42,340
mean I called up the township of dulce

1284
00:53:48,250 --> 00:53:46,180
and I spoke with an individual from the

1285
00:53:50,740 --> 00:53:48,260
Department of Interior Bureau of Indian

1286
00:53:53,770 --> 00:53:50,750
Affairs the southwestern region chicory

1287
00:53:55,330 --> 00:53:53,780
agency I asked him is there any military

1288
00:53:57,940 --> 00:53:55,340
presence there in the town of dulce or

1289
00:54:00,670 --> 00:53:57,950
even in the entire county of Rio Arriba

1290
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:00,680
and their answer was an emphatic no I

1291
00:54:04,090 --> 00:54:02,810
asked them if there was a recruiting

1292
00:54:05,710 --> 00:54:04,100
office because I said okay it's fine

1293
00:54:07,510 --> 00:54:05,720
maybe he was just a recruiter he's

1294
00:54:09,820 --> 00:54:07,520
making up this story because new balls

1295
00:54:10,900 --> 00:54:09,830
of the the who LA Rams all seen and

1296
00:54:12,849 --> 00:54:10,910
maybe he was there at a recruiting

1297
00:54:15,130 --> 00:54:12,859
office and they said there are no

1298
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:15,140
recruiting officers recruiting officers

1299
00:54:19,330 --> 00:54:16,970
there in fact he said there hasn't been

1300
00:54:22,390 --> 00:54:19,340
a major military presence in Dulce since

1301
00:54:24,580 --> 00:54:22,400
the US Calvary last pastor there so not

1302
00:54:26,050 --> 00:54:24,590
to me not to be you know completely

1303
00:54:28,660 --> 00:54:26,060
thrown off and I had to be absolutely

1304
00:54:30,340 --> 00:54:28,670
sure about this I called the Bureau of

1305
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:30,350
Indian Affairs Freedom of Information

1306
00:54:36,099 --> 00:54:33,170
Act coordinator I'm this Cheryl vigil

1307
00:54:38,470 --> 00:54:36,109
that's who I spoke to and and of course

1308
00:54:41,410 --> 00:54:38,480
I was simply told I needed to file but

1309
00:54:43,240 --> 00:54:41,420
that but this is what really got me this

1310
00:54:45,099 --> 00:54:43,250
was really piqued my interest but she

1311
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:45,109
told me but that expecting anything

1312
00:54:49,980 --> 00:54:47,450
regarding the military presence would be

1313
00:54:53,770 --> 00:54:49,990
almost impossible and disappointingly

1314
00:54:57,190 --> 00:54:53,780
you know I I asked her to tell me why

1315
00:54:59,470 --> 00:54:57,200
she wouldn't say why so the dd-214 is

1316
00:55:02,290 --> 00:54:59,480
from the federal government it's hard to

1317
00:55:04,720 --> 00:55:02,300
contest in its validity it to me the

1318
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:04,730
colonel is telling the truth I have to

1319
00:55:09,549 --> 00:55:06,890
go by the fact in the

1320
00:55:11,859 --> 00:55:09,559
irony that it was the our own US federal

1321
00:55:15,220 --> 00:55:11,869
government that proved to me who this

1322
00:55:18,130 --> 00:55:15,230
guy is and what he says you know he did

1323
00:55:19,870 --> 00:55:18,140
and where he did it so there's some

1324
00:55:21,460 --> 00:55:19,880
unknown heavily classified military

1325
00:55:24,009 --> 00:55:21,470
presence right there in Dulce New Mexico

1326
00:55:25,660 --> 00:55:24,019
but no one's talking about it and I'm

1327
00:55:28,539 --> 00:55:25,670
gonna make the dd-214 available to

1328
00:55:31,900 --> 00:55:28,549
everybody to see yeah yeah it is

1329
00:55:33,490 --> 00:55:31,910
redacted in some places you know his

1330
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:33,500
name is social security number but all

1331
00:55:38,470 --> 00:55:35,690
the major stuff is there and and I've

1332
00:55:41,170 --> 00:55:38,480
already shown this to people like Dennis

1333
00:55:44,859 --> 00:55:41,180
ball tasered noir Hayakawa John

1334
00:55:46,509 --> 00:55:44,869
Greenwald jr. you know there's people

1335
00:55:46,839 --> 00:55:46,519
that have seen this already and you know

1336
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:46,849
either

1337
00:55:51,220 --> 00:55:48,650
these are trained eyes these are people

1338
00:55:52,630 --> 00:55:51,230
that have sniffed out fake dd-214 in the

1339
00:55:54,759 --> 00:55:52,640
past they know damn well this is the

1340
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:54,769
real thing so that's what makes me happy

1341
00:55:59,049 --> 00:55:56,930
about all of this the other thing was

1342
00:56:01,509 --> 00:55:59,059
since I actually had the kernel submit

1343
00:56:03,549 --> 00:56:01,519
to a polygraph examination two of them

1344
00:56:05,859 --> 00:56:03,559
independently on one day I only had a

1345
00:56:07,870 --> 00:56:05,869
small amount of time with this guy but I

1346
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:07,880
essentially architected a set of

1347
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:09,890
questions and he knew that he was being

1348
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:11,690
asked these questions under the premise

1349
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:14,210
that they were entirely about Dulce and

1350
00:56:19,509 --> 00:56:16,490
his military career and he tacked on the

1351
00:56:22,630 --> 00:56:19,519
flying colors so that's why I put this

1352
00:56:26,589 --> 00:56:22,640
in the book those results available as

1353
00:56:29,259 --> 00:56:26,599
well um I don't know maybe yeah possibly

1354
00:56:31,240 --> 00:56:29,269
possibly people been asking so I'll

1355
00:56:34,029 --> 00:56:31,250
probably do that the one thing that I am

1356
00:56:35,829 --> 00:56:34,039
doing though Chris is my interview with

1357
00:56:37,720 --> 00:56:35,839
the colonel was on audio I had three

1358
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:37,730
hours of audio we actually met for six

1359
00:56:42,759 --> 00:56:40,130
hours but it resulted in about three

1360
00:56:44,109 --> 00:56:42,769
hours of audio of his testimony I am

1361
00:56:46,299 --> 00:56:44,119
gonna make that available the only

1362
00:56:47,650 --> 00:56:46,309
condition was it I don't know how to do

1363
00:56:49,089 --> 00:56:47,660
it I got a thing I got a contact

1364
00:56:51,099 --> 00:56:49,099
somebody who can help me describe his

1365
00:56:53,079 --> 00:56:51,109
voice so female and it's awesome a

1366
00:56:54,460 --> 00:56:53,089
little bit a little dizzy recorder so

1367
00:56:56,950 --> 00:56:54,470
they can figure that out

1368
00:56:58,779 --> 00:56:56,960
I'll make sure that happened maybe we'll

1369
00:57:00,220 --> 00:56:58,789
assign Chris or myself for doing it

1370
00:57:02,710 --> 00:57:00,230
because there are ways to just change

1371
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:02,720
the frequency of the voice you know make

1372
00:57:07,269 --> 00:57:05,450
it deeper make it higher we don't want

1373
00:57:10,809 --> 00:57:07,279
to sound like helium you know I remember

1374
00:57:11,650 --> 00:57:10,819
one time one of the shock jocks one of

1375
00:57:13,660 --> 00:57:11,660
the shock jocks

1376
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:13,670
you know this happens quite often in a

1377
00:57:16,749 --> 00:57:15,170
lot of cities but I remember Howard

1378
00:57:18,700 --> 00:57:16,759
Stern doing it and he probably was ahead

1379
00:57:21,890 --> 00:57:18,710
of everybody else they would inhale

1380
00:57:27,910 --> 00:57:24,110
and everybody would speak appropriately

1381
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:27,920
okay so you have taken the Colonel's

1382
00:57:32,540 --> 00:57:30,090
background information you've confirmed

1383
00:57:36,620 --> 00:57:32,550
that that he is real yeah so we're

1384
00:57:38,270 --> 00:57:36,630
pretty sure that Dulce is real - well my

1385
00:57:41,420 --> 00:57:38,280
gut feeling tells me that this guy's

1386
00:57:43,490 --> 00:57:41,430
telling the truth and I believe now that

1387
00:57:45,710 --> 00:57:43,500
there is something there at Dulce but

1388
00:57:47,330 --> 00:57:45,720
more so because of the research I did

1389
00:57:50,750 --> 00:57:47,340
when people didn't want to talk about it

1390
00:57:53,690 --> 00:57:50,760
so that kind of sent a signal to me you

1391
00:57:56,150 --> 00:57:53,700
know I had a skeptical nature about this

1392
00:57:58,190 --> 00:57:56,160
whole thing and when people don't want

1393
00:58:00,320 --> 00:57:58,200
to talk about something that supposedly

1394
00:58:02,420 --> 00:58:00,330
doesn't even exist that sends out

1395
00:58:04,580 --> 00:58:02,430
signals and people didn't want to talk

1396
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:04,590
about what could or could not be at

1397
00:58:09,950 --> 00:58:07,050
Dulce and I was just asking you know

1398
00:58:14,810 --> 00:58:09,960
upfront questions what does Rio Arriba

1399
00:58:17,330 --> 00:58:14,820
co , DSD - three means and I get that's

1400
00:58:19,420 --> 00:58:17,340
classified and then later on I get we

1401
00:58:23,180 --> 00:58:19,430
don't know what it means so you tell me

1402
00:58:25,010 --> 00:58:23,190
hmm I've got a quick question how did

1403
00:58:27,260 --> 00:58:25,020
the colonel actually get your name and

1404
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:27,270
why did he what was his reason for

1405
00:58:32,420 --> 00:58:29,250
contacting you and selecting you as a

1406
00:58:34,430 --> 00:58:32,430
person to divulge what we're going to be

1407
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:34,440
talking about it that's right yeah

1408
00:58:38,510 --> 00:58:36,210
so this goes back to when I was working

1409
00:58:41,540 --> 00:58:38,520
at the semiconductor company and I met

1410
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:41,550
this individual who after they left the

1411
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:43,050
company a year later they ended up

1412
00:58:49,550 --> 00:58:48,090
contact contacted me back and the shared

1413
00:58:52,310 --> 00:58:49,560
interest that we had while the person

1414
00:58:54,830 --> 00:58:52,320
was working there was UFOs conspiracies

1415
00:58:57,860 --> 00:58:54,840
and my blog I had a blog at the time

1416
00:58:59,920 --> 00:58:57,870
which was all about the work that I did

1417
00:59:03,530 --> 00:58:59,930
on the harp and Project Blue Beam and

1418
00:59:07,670 --> 00:59:03,540
you know UFO news and stuff like that so

1419
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:07,680
they called me back and this person who

1420
00:59:12,260 --> 00:59:09,410
originally had an English accent

1421
00:59:14,450 --> 00:59:12,270
cost me back a year later after they're

1422
00:59:15,500 --> 00:59:14,460
gone from the company and we start

1423
00:59:16,670 --> 00:59:15,510
talking in the middle of the

1424
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:16,680
conversation they threw out their

1425
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:18,570
English accent sounds like an actor like

1426
00:59:22,460 --> 00:59:20,490
we have a lot of British actors who

1427
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:22,470
speak American like Hugh Laurie on house

1428
00:59:28,190 --> 00:59:24,930
and we have a lot of American actors and

1429
00:59:31,430 --> 00:59:28,200
actresses who do great accents yeah this

1430
00:59:34,610 --> 00:59:31,440
guy this guy the real bill be any

1431
00:59:36,020 --> 00:59:34,620
down air mine and my I hate to say this

1432
00:59:38,690 --> 00:59:36,030
on the air cuz I don't want to get

1433
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:38,700
people anatomy for bringing them up but

1434
00:59:42,980 --> 00:59:40,290
my mother-in-law is English so I know

1435
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:42,990
English accents I know an English accent

1436
00:59:49,550 --> 00:59:46,370
anyhow he drops the English accents and

1437
00:59:53,060 --> 00:59:49,560
well behold he drops his bomb on me and

1438
00:59:55,430 --> 00:59:53,070
he says I you know this is my you know

1439
00:59:57,530 --> 00:59:55,440
that wasn't my real identity I was

1440
01:00:00,290 --> 00:59:57,540
working under assumed identity I'm part

1441
01:00:03,050 --> 01:00:00,300
of this intelligence channel that's part

1442
01:00:03,980 --> 01:00:03,060
of the this group of people that are on

1443
01:00:06,770 --> 01:00:03,990
the ground

1444
01:00:09,890 --> 01:00:06,780
AWOL and in hiding from the federal

1445
01:00:13,250 --> 01:00:09,900
government or whatever he said I was on

1446
01:00:15,260 --> 01:00:13,260
this satellite defense system and I'm

1447
01:00:17,900 --> 01:00:15,270
working for a federal contractor over by

1448
01:00:19,580 --> 01:00:17,910
Moffett Field in the Bay Area and you

1449
01:00:21,590 --> 01:00:19,590
know he was a conscientious objector or

1450
01:00:23,330 --> 01:00:21,600
whatever and he he went AWOL from the

1451
01:00:26,930 --> 01:00:23,340
project and he's in hiding and he's in

1452
01:00:29,270 --> 01:00:26,940
big trouble apparently so he's part of

1453
01:00:31,490 --> 01:00:29,280
this group and this group has a

1454
01:00:34,220 --> 01:00:31,500
connection to some higher level group

1455
01:00:36,620 --> 01:00:34,230
called comm 12 and I don't know much

1456
01:00:38,810 --> 01:00:36,630
about con 12 other than what you know I

1457
01:00:40,940 --> 01:00:38,820
was able to learn to Nouriel Hayakawa

1458
01:00:42,890 --> 01:00:40,950
and some various resources that I found

1459
01:00:44,900 --> 01:00:42,900
on the Internet but it's some type of a

1460
01:00:46,610 --> 01:00:44,910
group that it's working in the

1461
01:00:48,230 --> 01:00:46,620
backgrounds fighting against other

1462
01:00:50,270 --> 01:00:48,240
malevolent organizations within the

1463
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:50,280
shadow government or whatever that have

1464
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:51,810
infiltrated our regular government I

1465
01:00:56,390 --> 01:00:54,690
don't know but this person knows the

1466
01:00:59,510 --> 01:00:56,400
kernel through their intelligence

1467
01:01:01,370 --> 01:00:59,520
Channel and the kernel was interested in

1468
01:01:03,110 --> 01:01:01,380
talking with me because of something

1469
01:01:07,490 --> 01:01:03,120
that I had written in one of my blogs

1470
01:01:10,730 --> 01:01:07,500
with regards to alien-human hybrid

1471
01:01:13,910 --> 01:01:10,740
ization I just had this theory I just

1472
01:01:16,420 --> 01:01:13,920
had a theory and it was there for anyone

1473
01:01:18,740 --> 01:01:16,430
to read and apparently she had read it

1474
01:01:24,650 --> 01:01:18,750
was interested in talking with me and

1475
01:01:26,630 --> 01:01:24,660
that was the that was the the catalyst

1476
01:01:28,250 --> 01:01:26,640
to him wanting to tell me everything why

1477
01:01:29,390 --> 01:01:28,260
don't you tell our listeners and we only

1478
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:29,400
have about a minute left with this

1479
01:01:34,100 --> 01:01:31,530
section before go to the next section on

1480
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:34,110
the show tell our listeners briefly what

1481
01:01:38,530 --> 01:01:35,730
was in this blog that might have

1482
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:38,540
attracted someone's attention

1483
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:41,330
I think you miss effect that I had done

1484
01:01:50,260 --> 01:01:46,570
a lot of work on uncovering evidence of

1485
01:01:53,740 --> 01:01:50,270
modern humans having been genetically

1486
01:01:56,230 --> 01:01:53,750
engineered at some point in our past not

1487
01:01:59,400 --> 01:01:56,240
a nun unlike the evidence that Lloyd Pye

1488
01:02:01,570 --> 01:01:59,410
and some of other academics have

1489
01:02:03,670 --> 01:02:01,580
discovered I'll go along with the

1490
01:02:08,590 --> 01:02:03,680
academics discovering something Lloyd

1491
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:08,600
Pye is not an academic as far as a

1492
01:02:14,710 --> 01:02:12,410
particular skull or whatever it is you

1493
01:02:17,650 --> 01:02:14,720
know we've explored that subject ad

1494
01:02:20,380 --> 01:02:17,660
infinitum on the power cast in several

1495
01:02:23,050 --> 01:02:20,390
of our episodes and we don't find much

1496
01:02:25,540 --> 01:02:23,060
value in that story now maybe he's got

1497
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:25,550
more evidence now than he did then so as

1498
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:26,930
you might imagine in light of the shows

1499
01:02:30,910 --> 01:02:29,210
we've run on that subject we have some

1500
01:02:32,590 --> 01:02:30,920
very serious questions about it

1501
01:02:34,900 --> 01:02:32,600
we'll go into that in a moment we have

1502
01:02:37,660 --> 01:02:34,910
Anthony Sanchez the forthcoming book is

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the co-host I'm gene Steinberg you're in

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the podcast

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01:07:23,260 --> 01:07:20,960
so before we broke I was throwing cold

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water on Lloyd Pye let's take him out of

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01:07:27,700 --> 01:07:25,480
the picture white pie doesn't exist

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01:07:30,750 --> 01:07:27,710
there he goes he flashes away the

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01:07:34,900 --> 01:07:30,760
trickster sends them away into the

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01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:34,910
Phantom Zone along with General Zod in

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01:07:44,290 --> 01:07:39,890
the Phantom Zone okay okay so I actually

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01:07:47,710 --> 01:07:44,300
have to help support this hypothesis

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01:07:49,810 --> 01:07:47,720
that establishes the foundation for

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01:07:51,940 --> 01:07:49,820
proof that humans were transformed over

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01:07:54,370 --> 01:07:51,950
the last 200,000 years at an

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01:07:57,760 --> 01:07:54,380
artificially accelerated pace directly

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01:07:59,620 --> 01:07:57,770
from genetic manipulation by somebody I

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01:08:00,160 --> 01:07:59,630
mean we didn't want to do this 200,000

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years ago

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01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:03,590
now I mentioned moy PI's name because

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01:08:08,490 --> 01:08:05,530
he's already touched on this subject

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01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:08,500
Lloyd Pye doesn't have a degree in

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01:08:13,240 --> 01:08:11,530
research geneticist and you know

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01:08:15,460 --> 01:08:13,250
genetics and

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01:08:16,930 --> 01:08:15,470
ever but so I don't really want to harp

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01:08:19,390 --> 01:08:16,940
on Boyd for that I mean he just brought

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01:08:21,190 --> 01:08:19,400
it up and he did bring up some valid

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01:08:23,740 --> 01:08:21,200
points well he goes off onto a tangent

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01:08:25,570 --> 01:08:23,750
which I don't even touch III I take a

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01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:25,580
very very structured academic approach

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01:08:31,870 --> 01:08:28,730
to this and I psych a lot of people from

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01:08:35,530 --> 01:08:31,880
from incredible universities so from

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01:08:37,269 --> 01:08:35,540
around the world so all that I do is I

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01:08:39,670 --> 01:08:37,279
examine evidence that shows us how you

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01:08:42,099 --> 01:08:39,680
know early hominis transformed into

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01:08:44,019 --> 01:08:42,109
modern Homo Sapien over the last two

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01:08:46,690 --> 01:08:44,029
hundred thousand years rapidly at an

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01:08:48,340 --> 01:08:46,700
artificially accelerated pace and I even

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01:08:50,470 --> 01:08:48,350
give the scientific proof showing how

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01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:50,480
our genome was subjected to having

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01:08:56,110 --> 01:08:53,210
genetic engineering and I covered that

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01:08:58,059 --> 01:08:56,120
heavily you know science incorrectly

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01:08:59,950 --> 01:08:58,069
teaches us that we sherry ninety point

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01:09:04,420 --> 01:08:59,960
five to ninety percent DNA similarity

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01:09:07,329 --> 01:09:04,430
well I found the you know work by a very

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01:09:09,450 --> 01:09:07,339
very well-known research geneticist who

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01:09:12,340 --> 01:09:09,460
proves that there's no less than a 70%

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01:09:14,530 --> 01:09:12,350
similarity between us and other hominids

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01:09:18,070 --> 01:09:14,540
you know specifically our closest cousin

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01:09:19,690 --> 01:09:18,080
the common chimpanzee so I'm not sure

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01:09:23,079 --> 01:09:19,700
about that you might you might want to

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01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:23,089
check that percentage yeah well yeah

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01:09:25,930 --> 01:09:24,170
Chris you're gonna want to read my book

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01:09:28,289 --> 01:09:25,940
then because I have some very very

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01:09:30,519 --> 01:09:28,299
shocking stuff that I share here and

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01:09:33,460 --> 01:09:30,529
there's some really really good stuff in

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01:09:35,860 --> 01:09:33,470
there so you know and it forces us to

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01:09:38,670 --> 01:09:35,870
rethink on our lineal origins and that's

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01:09:43,930 --> 01:09:38,680
all that I was doing in my blog you know

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01:09:46,900 --> 01:09:43,940
talks about how in 2005 you know you

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01:09:50,890 --> 01:09:46,910
know a well well-known research

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01:09:54,280 --> 01:09:50,900
geneticist published you know this paper

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01:09:55,150 --> 01:09:54,290
on this this whole subject and I really

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01:09:58,090 --> 01:09:55,160
don't want to get into that because

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01:10:01,390 --> 01:09:58,100
we're talking about Dulce but there was

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01:10:03,310 --> 01:10:01,400
some stuff within that within the

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01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:03,320
confines of that topic that depict the

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01:10:07,690 --> 01:10:05,090
interest of the kernel because I touch

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01:10:09,400 --> 01:10:07,700
on alien-human hybrid ization which is

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01:10:12,100 --> 01:10:09,410
something that he claims happens based

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01:10:15,730 --> 01:10:12,110
on the writings that were found in the

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01:10:17,530 --> 01:10:15,740
dulce caverns what they found were well

1686
01:10:20,860 --> 01:10:17,540
hold on let's let's send it up a little

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01:10:23,170 --> 01:10:20,870
bit let's there's an idea who the kernel

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01:10:25,149 --> 01:10:23,180
was what the particular detachment he

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01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:25,159
was involved with give a little back

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01:10:29,169 --> 01:10:26,810
found on actually what happened in the

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01:10:31,899 --> 01:10:29,179
40s like you explained to me in terms of

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01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:31,909
the initial discovery you know kind of

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01:10:35,110 --> 01:10:33,050
wind it back a little bit in the

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01:10:38,290 --> 01:10:35,120
timeline and and then take it from there

1695
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:38,300
okay so the the cradle actually worked

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01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:40,850
as part of this larger unit that was a

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01:10:46,090 --> 01:10:43,130
medical unit but he worked on a really

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01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:46,100
really small classified medical

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01:10:49,930 --> 01:10:48,050
detachment out of McClellan Air Force

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01:10:53,620 --> 01:10:49,940
Base which is in North Island California

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01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:53,630
by Sacramento California and what he did

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01:10:59,260 --> 01:10:55,489
was is he responded to these type X

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01:11:01,209 --> 01:10:59,270
events and there was something that was

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01:11:03,310 --> 01:11:01,219
like some type of a classified exercise

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01:11:06,610 --> 01:11:03,320
taking place and there was like an

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01:11:09,970 --> 01:11:06,620
accident or an injury you know maybe

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01:11:11,709 --> 01:11:09,980
even resulted in the death and sometimes

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01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:11,719
like a traumatic event or whatever but

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01:11:16,510 --> 01:11:13,370
it was part of something classified or

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01:11:20,169 --> 01:11:16,520
or they dealt with something they didn't

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01:11:22,510 --> 01:11:20,179
understand like a UFO so or some type of

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01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:22,520
unknown aerial phenomena this is what

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01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:24,650
his group responded to so they responded

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01:11:28,830 --> 01:11:26,570
to medical emergencies in other words

1715
01:11:32,919 --> 01:11:28,840
that had to do with something classified

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01:11:36,129 --> 01:11:32,929
yes I mean they immediately were flown

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01:11:38,770 --> 01:11:36,139
on-site to these locations within when

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01:11:41,260 --> 01:11:38,780
as soon as they possibly could be within

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01:11:45,189 --> 01:11:41,270
like and I and I asked him to give me a

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01:11:46,899 --> 01:11:45,199
specific example of one of these and and

1721
01:11:50,740 --> 01:11:46,909
this is available for everybody to read

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01:11:52,360 --> 01:11:50,750
right now he also highway comm if you

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01:11:54,910 --> 01:11:52,370
click on the Dulce gonna be linked there

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01:11:57,669 --> 01:11:54,920
that whole first snippet talks about

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01:12:01,270 --> 01:11:57,679
this pipe X events that occurred near

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01:12:03,310 --> 01:12:01,280
Fort Irwin and I did my research and I

1727
01:12:06,149 --> 01:12:03,320
found that there was in fact something

1728
01:12:08,620 --> 01:12:06,159
that had occurred there by Fort Irwin

1729
01:12:12,490 --> 01:12:08,630
around the time that he mentioned

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01:12:15,910 --> 01:12:12,500
involving a c-130 Hercules and I would

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01:12:17,890 --> 01:12:15,920
guess and like I you know I couldn't

1732
01:12:19,330 --> 01:12:17,900
confirm that this was the event that

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01:12:21,550 --> 01:12:19,340
he's talking about but I did find that

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01:12:23,350 --> 01:12:21,560
there had been something so again you

1735
01:12:25,060 --> 01:12:23,360
know it's just more evidence tendance

1736
01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:25,070
that's telling me that the guys telling

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01:12:32,919 --> 01:12:30,530
the truth so what he did was in

1738
01:12:34,899 --> 01:12:32,929
behavioral and psychological analysis if

1739
01:12:36,340 --> 01:12:34,909
he had to lend a hand with triage for

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01:12:38,430 --> 01:12:36,350
whatever they would because you know

1741
01:12:40,890 --> 01:12:38,440
they were trained to do this but he

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01:12:43,650 --> 01:12:40,900
job was to see did this person fit for

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01:12:47,910 --> 01:12:43,660
duty to return to duty and he said he

1744
01:12:50,939 --> 01:12:47,920
had the power to execute the medical

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01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:50,949
discharge immediately if they felt there

1746
01:12:57,180 --> 01:12:54,370
was some type of compromise Tim in fact

1747
01:13:00,479 --> 01:12:57,190
you know the you know to whatever the

1748
01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:00,489
classified event was you know if

1749
01:13:05,070 --> 01:13:02,290
somebody went crazy because of what they

1750
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:05,080
seem are they couldn't handle what it

1751
01:13:12,290 --> 01:13:07,570
was they were encountering you know he

1752
01:13:15,689 --> 01:13:12,300
had that type of authority and so in

1753
01:13:19,320 --> 01:13:15,699
1979 he had received a set of orders to

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01:13:21,780 --> 01:13:19,330
report to this place called to a

1755
01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:21,790
facility in Dulce New Mexico and he

1756
01:13:25,020 --> 01:13:23,770
never heard of Dulce New Mexico in fact

1757
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:25,030
none of the people he had worked with

1758
01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:27,610
had ever heard of Dulce New Mexico so

1759
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:29,650
one that was perplexing - this was the

1760
01:13:34,530 --> 01:13:32,650
first time he had ever received a set of

1761
01:13:37,320 --> 01:13:34,540
orders that had come in with a stamp

1762
01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:37,330
from the Department of Energy seen these

1763
01:13:46,050 --> 01:13:39,370
type of the type X events that he worked

1764
01:13:48,300 --> 01:13:46,060
on were limited to this Air Force / CIA

1765
01:13:50,610 --> 01:13:48,310
periphery and they didn't work outside

1766
01:13:52,020 --> 01:13:50,620
of that and I guess the CIA was involved

1767
01:13:54,330 --> 01:13:52,030
because of the nature of some of the

1768
01:13:57,120 --> 01:13:54,340
events and the classification levels or

1769
01:13:58,439 --> 01:13:57,130
whatever but this was the first time he

1770
01:14:02,520 --> 01:13:58,449
says he had never seen anything from the

1771
01:14:05,459 --> 01:14:02,530
Department of Energy and and he talks

1772
01:14:08,060 --> 01:14:05,469
about how you know they they made it so

1773
01:14:10,950 --> 01:14:08,070
that this was a very very small

1774
01:14:12,450 --> 01:14:10,960
specialized unit that was being sent you

1775
01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:12,460
know they were he was already part of a

1776
01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:15,370
classified group but this group was that

1777
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:18,210
he was reporting to a brigadier general

1778
01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:21,010
Brigadier General over at Edwards Air

1779
01:14:26,520 --> 01:14:22,930
Force Base he didn't even know who it

1780
01:14:28,830 --> 01:14:26,530
was and there was another major he was a

1781
01:14:30,540 --> 01:14:28,840
major at the time he was reporting was

1782
01:14:33,030 --> 01:14:30,550
another major who he'd only worked with

1783
01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:33,040
briefly and these guys were all selected

1784
01:14:37,260 --> 01:14:34,930
for a specific reason and they figured

1785
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:37,270
it out they all had the same personality

1786
01:14:39,479 --> 01:14:37,690
type

1787
01:14:41,490 --> 01:14:39,489
nothing freaked these guys out that's

1788
01:14:45,990 --> 01:14:41,500
why they were chosen so they were

1789
01:14:49,020 --> 01:14:46,000
heading into something and that they had

1790
01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:49,030
to be prepared for on the way there they

1791
01:14:52,050 --> 01:14:50,890
were given briefing documents with speed

1792
01:14:54,480 --> 01:14:52,060
kills

1793
01:14:56,970 --> 01:14:54,490
the background of the facility that they

1794
01:14:58,680 --> 01:14:56,980
were going to and he initially thought

1795
01:15:00,090 --> 01:14:58,690
that he was reading briefing documents

1796
01:15:03,060 --> 01:15:00,100
they were talking about American Indians

1797
01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:03,070
and later you know on the way there he

1798
01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:06,210
realized oh my god this is this is about

1799
01:15:11,490 --> 01:15:09,370
species different some type of sentient

1800
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:11,500
intelligent species had nothing to do

1801
01:15:15,810 --> 01:15:13,570
with the American Indians like he had

1802
01:15:19,380 --> 01:15:15,820
believed and I started talking about

1803
01:15:22,220 --> 01:15:19,390
inhabitants of this sub training you

1804
01:15:24,660 --> 01:15:22,230
know complex that they were going to be

1805
01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:24,670
reporting to I'll tell you what we've

1806
01:15:28,710 --> 01:15:26,050
been to more of that in a moment with

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01:15:31,290 --> 01:15:28,720
Anthony Sanchez forthcoming book is UFO

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01:15:33,930 --> 01:15:31,300
highway and we're trying to assess what

1809
01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:33,940
might have happened over at Dulce New

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01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:36,610
Mexico the co-host is Chris O'Brien I'm

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01:15:49,870 --> 01:15:40,770
gene Steinberg you're in luebero ghost

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make you feel

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I'm from New Mexico January of 2000 I

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had a heart attack then my real health

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began going downhill and I had high

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blood pressure high blood sugar and poor

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vision and I really wasn't sleeping well

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I was a mess pretty much don reports

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days I started sleeping a lot better

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sugar normalized and my sleep really did

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improve experience these benefits and

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with the assistance of heart and body

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improvements from taking part in body

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should tell you that I do not tell

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people like Chris O'Brien or Nicholas

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Redfern how to do the signature the para

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cast they make it up themselves I take

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no responsibility because if it sounds

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like one big mess I didn't do it our

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01:20:52,420 --> 01:20:50,120
co-host course Chris O'Brien we have

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01:20:54,790 --> 01:20:52,430
Anthony Sanchez joining us this week I'm

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gene Steinberg you're in the power cast

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and now the rest of the story we

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01:21:05,230 --> 01:20:59,660
continue to explore what might have gone

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01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:05,240
on at Dulce New Mexico from Edwards Air

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01:21:11,380 --> 01:21:08,810
Force Base to Dulce and while he was

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01:21:13,210 --> 01:21:11,390
being flown there he was going to these

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01:21:15,640 --> 01:21:13,220
briefing documents which essentially had

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01:21:18,610 --> 01:21:15,650
like this compact version of this

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01:21:19,990 --> 01:21:18,620
history of the people or the inhabitants

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01:21:21,970 --> 01:21:20,000
that lives there you know again he

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01:21:24,460 --> 01:21:21,980
thought they were American unions and

1946
01:21:26,380 --> 01:21:24,470
and he did you know it wasn't until he

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01:21:28,300 --> 01:21:26,390
made eye contact with the other major

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01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:28,310
and they both looked at each other and

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01:21:32,500 --> 01:21:30,410
essentially realized what they were

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01:21:33,580 --> 01:21:32,510
reading and there were several copies of

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01:21:36,340 --> 01:21:33,590
the briefing documents and that's

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01:21:39,550 --> 01:21:36,350
important part of the story that you

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01:21:41,950 --> 01:21:39,560
know it's mentioned later on because the

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01:21:45,040 --> 01:21:41,960
colonel actually was able to retain his

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01:21:46,480 --> 01:21:45,050
set there was a lieutenant commander

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01:21:50,500 --> 01:21:46,490
from the Navy that they met up with

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01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:50,510
there at Dulce and when he turned in his

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01:21:54,670 --> 01:21:52,970
copy three sets had been returned back

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01:21:57,460 --> 01:21:54,680
at the brigadier General's the majors

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01:22:00,100 --> 01:21:57,470
and the lieutenant Commandant's Navy

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01:22:01,150 --> 01:22:00,110
officers so nobody thought they thought

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01:22:03,940 --> 01:22:01,160
that they had received all three

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01:22:06,010 --> 01:22:03,950
briefing documents from their contingent

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01:22:08,320 --> 01:22:06,020
back and I guess no one ever thought to

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01:22:10,300 --> 01:22:08,330
ask you know we're a force that was

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01:22:12,820 --> 01:22:10,310
anyhow that's how he has all this

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01:22:14,140 --> 01:22:12,830
knowledge not to mention the fact

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I really hate to do this because it

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01:22:16,690 --> 01:22:15,560
really sucks because this is part of the

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01:22:19,780 --> 01:22:16,700
book that was supposed to be a shocker

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01:22:22,630 --> 01:22:19,790
but the colonel ended up working for DSD

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01:22:26,110 --> 01:22:22,640
3 which is the intelligence agency that

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01:22:29,320 --> 01:22:26,120
operates the dulce facility and he had

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01:22:31,510 --> 01:22:29,330
access to the DSD 3 personnel and

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01:22:33,850 --> 01:22:31,520
historical repositories he's database

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01:22:35,830 --> 01:22:33,860
systems and a whole bunch more stuff

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that you know I can go into with regards

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to what he had access to you and it's

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01:22:43,570 --> 01:22:40,540
all there in the book including this

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01:22:46,270 --> 01:22:43,580
this system which was developed by the

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01:22:48,520 --> 01:22:46,280
NSA it's part of an auction and a signal

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01:22:49,960 --> 01:22:48,530
intelligence which is called echo and

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01:22:51,250 --> 01:22:49,970
then I mentioned that in the book and

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01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:51,260
that's really important too

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01:22:55,750 --> 01:22:53,690
because apparently many underground

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01:22:58,960 --> 01:22:55,760
facilities use a system called echo and

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01:23:01,810 --> 01:22:58,970
I detail it in the book but was but back

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01:23:05,230 --> 01:23:01,820
to the briefing documents they arrived

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01:23:09,600 --> 01:23:05,240
at Dulce and essentially they arrived

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01:23:12,250 --> 01:23:09,610
within 24 to 48 hours after some major

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01:23:15,790 --> 01:23:12,260
engagement had taken place there between

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01:23:18,430 --> 01:23:15,800
the inhabitants and VSP 3 forces and

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01:23:21,700 --> 01:23:18,440
when they get there a demilitarized zone

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01:23:23,980 --> 01:23:21,710
has been enacted under a real dmz set up

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01:23:26,050 --> 01:23:23,990
right here within our own borders and

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01:23:29,920 --> 01:23:26,060
that's how serious ray triggered a set

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01:23:32,740 --> 01:23:29,930
of protocols enacting the DMZ and they

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01:23:36,910 --> 01:23:32,750
get there and there's a whole bunch of

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01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:36,920
stuff I could go into but let's just say

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01:23:42,100 --> 01:23:38,930
he arrives and he finds a whole nother

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01:23:43,570 --> 01:23:42,110
world that he was not prepared for even

2002
01:23:45,220 --> 01:23:43,580
though the Air Force thought he would be

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01:23:46,420 --> 01:23:45,230
you know prepared for it because he had

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01:23:48,640 --> 01:23:46,430
the right personality type

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01:23:50,710 --> 01:23:48,650
not even the Brigadier General was

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01:23:52,930 --> 01:23:50,720
prepared for what they had come into

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01:23:54,940 --> 01:23:52,940
contact with so why don't you give us

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01:23:56,680 --> 01:23:54,950
some background on on the the actual

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01:23:58,600 --> 01:23:56,690
history going back into the 40s I've

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01:24:00,940 --> 01:23:58,610
found this part of the story when we

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01:24:04,060 --> 01:24:00,950
talk about really fascinating once you

2012
01:24:07,480 --> 01:24:04,070
describe to listeners exactly the the

2013
01:24:09,730 --> 01:24:07,490
initial discovery and why the team that

2014
01:24:12,940 --> 01:24:09,740
discovered this underground complex was

2015
01:24:17,440 --> 01:24:12,950
actually poking around looking for a

2016
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:17,450
facility location once you kind of dial

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01:24:21,430 --> 01:24:19,610
it back to to the fort he's real quick

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01:24:24,919 --> 01:24:21,440
ok so we have to go back a little bit

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01:24:27,140 --> 01:24:24,929
further you know further than 1940

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01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:27,150
talk about what had transpired there in

2021
01:24:34,489 --> 01:24:31,050
the Four Corners region as you know we

2022
01:24:38,739 --> 01:24:34,499
had been searching for a home for our

2023
01:24:43,009 --> 01:24:38,749
atomic development which was being

2024
01:24:45,259 --> 01:24:43,019
architected by the Iranian committee and

2025
01:24:47,060 --> 01:24:45,269
which had been triggered by the ISIS a

2026
01:24:49,969 --> 01:24:47,070
large letter that helped us establish

2027
01:24:52,640 --> 01:24:49,979
essentially the Manhattan Project we had

2028
01:24:54,439 --> 01:24:52,650
actually said we had pilots actually

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01:24:56,359 --> 01:24:54,449
flying over the entire four corners

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01:24:59,209 --> 01:24:56,369
region probably extending all the way

2031
01:25:01,189 --> 01:24:59,219
out to San Luis Valley we know that they

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01:25:03,379 --> 01:25:01,199
were up in Nevada and probably parts of

2033
01:25:06,850 --> 01:25:03,389
Arizona even but there was a lot of

2034
01:25:08,929 --> 01:25:06,860
interest in New Mexico because of the

2035
01:25:11,120 --> 01:25:08,939
the terrain there you know especially

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01:25:14,770 --> 01:25:11,130
with the closest to the White Sands and

2037
01:25:17,109 --> 01:25:14,780
then leading up to the Montaigne like

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01:25:18,620 --> 01:25:17,119
mountainous desert regions of like

2039
01:25:22,089 --> 01:25:18,630
northern New Mexico

2040
01:25:26,359 --> 01:25:22,099
I couldn't Dulce and stuff snow anyhow

2041
01:25:29,929 --> 01:25:26,369
they had found this plateau there's also

2042
01:25:33,080 --> 01:25:29,939
a lot of me except this this very very

2043
01:25:35,299 --> 01:25:33,090
you know interesting piece of land and

2044
01:25:37,839 --> 01:25:35,309
they had sent this group the thing

2045
01:25:40,279 --> 01:25:37,849
adhered selected from Rock Army Airfield

2046
01:25:41,899 --> 01:25:40,289
they were called the maraca expedition

2047
01:25:43,819 --> 01:25:41,909
and these were a set of guys that he had

2048
01:25:46,189 --> 01:25:43,829
surveyors they had you know like

2049
01:25:48,229 --> 01:25:46,199
sharpshooters and and the colonel and

2050
01:25:50,390 --> 01:25:48,239
his testimony had said that this is

2051
01:25:51,890 --> 01:25:50,400
going to sound old-fashioned by your

2052
01:25:54,379 --> 01:25:51,900
standards he goes but you have to

2053
01:25:56,209 --> 01:25:54,389
remember that back in those days you

2054
01:25:59,419 --> 01:25:56,219
know you know they had this was like a

2055
01:26:01,399 --> 01:25:59,429
specialized unit this was like the

2056
01:26:03,229 --> 01:26:01,409
Special Forces Squadron whatever you

2057
01:26:05,540 --> 01:26:03,239
know they had specialists in all these

2058
01:26:07,850 --> 01:26:05,550
different areas and they even had the

2059
01:26:09,350 --> 01:26:07,860
colonel says that they had cavers and he

2060
01:26:10,879 --> 01:26:09,360
says you know we call those spelunkers

2061
01:26:13,100 --> 01:26:10,889
today but back in the 40s they called

2062
01:26:14,899 --> 01:26:13,110
them cavers cave experts people who were

2063
01:26:17,410 --> 01:26:14,909
you know adept at climbing up and down

2064
01:26:23,239 --> 01:26:17,420
down you know caprica's type you know

2065
01:26:24,859 --> 01:26:23,249
walls are ever so any now this murca

2066
01:26:28,250 --> 01:26:24,869
expedition found this massive cavern

2067
01:26:29,989 --> 01:26:28,260
that was right there along the side and

2068
01:26:35,899 --> 01:26:29,999
I don't know which side but one of the

2069
01:26:36,370 --> 01:26:35,909
sides of the Archuleta Mesa you know

2070
01:26:40,330 --> 01:26:36,380
where

2071
01:26:42,450 --> 01:26:40,340
fragmentary columnar basalt into the

2072
01:26:45,010 --> 01:26:42,460
rock on the side making up the

2073
01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:45,020
apparently there was a cavern and it's

2074
01:26:49,720 --> 01:26:47,930
been it's been covered up since it's

2075
01:26:53,050 --> 01:26:49,730
covered up and it's not there anymore we

2076
01:26:54,850 --> 01:26:53,060
can't see it but back then people used

2077
01:26:57,220 --> 01:26:54,860
to walk into this cavern all the time it

2078
01:26:58,600 --> 01:26:57,230
was you know if you've never been to

2079
01:27:00,580 --> 01:26:58,610
northern New Mexico in northern Arizona

2080
01:27:02,230 --> 01:27:00,590
you've seen these gigantic natural

2081
01:27:04,510 --> 01:27:02,240
caverns and well there was one right

2082
01:27:06,370 --> 01:27:04,520
there and it's gone now because it's

2083
01:27:09,160 --> 01:27:06,380
been cleverly disguised but anyhow these

2084
01:27:11,800 --> 01:27:09,170
guys these soldiers in 1940 had

2085
01:27:15,070 --> 01:27:11,810
discovered this cavern and inside of it

2086
01:27:16,570 --> 01:27:15,080
was a seven level subterranean facility

2087
01:27:18,850 --> 01:27:16,580
the size of a small city and they

2088
01:27:20,740 --> 01:27:18,860
discovered this by chance and it was

2089
01:27:22,780 --> 01:27:20,750
nestled smack-dab in the center of the

2090
01:27:24,640 --> 01:27:22,790
Archuleta Mesa up against one of the

2091
01:27:27,640 --> 01:27:24,650
walls anyway what had led right into the

2092
01:27:29,230 --> 01:27:27,650
into the heart of the Mesa and you know

2093
01:27:30,820 --> 01:27:29,240
again the discovery came about when they

2094
01:27:32,650 --> 01:27:30,830
began scouting the areas of New Mexico

2095
01:27:34,600 --> 01:27:32,660
for protect potential sites to house our

2096
01:27:36,810 --> 01:27:34,610
product development but what was

2097
01:27:39,730 --> 01:27:36,820
interesting is what they found inside

2098
01:27:42,280 --> 01:27:39,740
when they first walked inside the cavern

2099
01:27:44,230 --> 01:27:42,290
and again the book goes into a really

2100
01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:44,240
really great detail about this and I'm

2101
01:27:49,750 --> 01:27:46,970
just quickly paraphrasing they found

2102
01:27:52,270 --> 01:27:49,760
evidence of a battle that had taken

2103
01:27:54,880 --> 01:27:52,280
place between Apache warriors and

2104
01:27:59,890 --> 01:27:54,890
initially they thought possibly outlaws

2105
01:28:01,900 --> 01:27:59,900
or Calvary or other Apache warriors but

2106
01:28:05,080 --> 01:28:01,910
the first of they got in they found

2107
01:28:07,930 --> 01:28:05,090
small you know a diminutive type remains

2108
01:28:10,510 --> 01:28:07,940
within large heads and huge eye sockets

2109
01:28:11,860 --> 01:28:10,520
and the clothing was unlike nothing that

2110
01:28:14,470 --> 01:28:11,870
the Apaches were wearing and they were

2111
01:28:16,660 --> 01:28:14,480
able to determine when this fighting had

2112
01:28:18,040 --> 01:28:16,670
most likely occurred based on the fact

2113
01:28:20,230 --> 01:28:18,050
that they found Colt revolvers

2114
01:28:22,690 --> 01:28:20,240
Winchester repeating rifles ammunition

2115
01:28:25,330 --> 01:28:22,700
of the time spent and unspent ammunition

2116
01:28:29,050 --> 01:28:25,340
and again they had a friend he even

2117
01:28:31,270 --> 01:28:29,060
found a bunch of weaponry and that of

2118
01:28:32,830 --> 01:28:31,280
the Native American indigenous type

2119
01:28:35,430 --> 01:28:32,840
weapons you know some blades with like

2120
01:28:37,870 --> 01:28:35,440
cloth or a leather type you know like

2121
01:28:39,480 --> 01:28:37,880
banding around the handles and whatever

2122
01:28:41,890 --> 01:28:39,490
they used I mean they were able to use

2123
01:28:43,030 --> 01:28:41,900
that type of evidence to determine that

2124
01:28:45,220 --> 01:28:43,040
you know the fighting had occurred

2125
01:28:47,709 --> 01:28:45,230
initially between 1840 and 1870 and by

2126
01:28:50,049 --> 01:28:47,719
the end they assumed

2127
01:28:51,279 --> 01:28:50,059
you know the supposition based on what

2128
01:28:52,989 --> 01:28:51,289
they were finding that it was indeed

2129
01:28:55,830 --> 01:28:52,999
closer to the 1870 mark

2130
01:28:59,739 --> 01:28:55,840
they found this evidence of a battle and

2131
01:29:03,160 --> 01:28:59,749
they also found equipment they found

2132
01:29:05,080 --> 01:29:03,170
now remember this is 1940s oh no no

2133
01:29:06,790 --> 01:29:05,090
laptops there were no digital recorders

2134
01:29:08,350 --> 01:29:06,800
to know all of this is being recorded in

2135
01:29:10,419 --> 01:29:08,360
my journals handwritten there were

2136
01:29:11,890 --> 01:29:10,429
several people the bhindi unit that had

2137
01:29:13,479 --> 01:29:11,900
been designated to handwrite all this

2138
01:29:16,390 --> 01:29:13,489
stuff will pick up on that in our next

2139
01:29:18,100 --> 01:29:16,400
segment with Anthony Sanchez hey there

2140
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would you like to join the power cast

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and knows about social networks if you

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have experience in broadcasting that's

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to explore a little bit further I'm Jean

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Steinberg you're in the power cast Chris

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O'Brien's the co-host Anthony I had to

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interrupt you for the station break

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let's pick up on this got it so in the

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reports that has been prepared by the

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soldiers who were told to record what

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they had found they found that this

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uninhabited upper level which where they

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were initially had what appeared to be

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ancient artifacts interspersed among

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modern looking but unfamiliar machines

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they wrote that on some walls they were

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they were covered with what now remember

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this is 1940 they they said it was

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covered with what looks like massive

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radar screens they all they're also

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appeared to be individual personnel

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stations fitted with which could be

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cryptography machines or what appeared

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to be electric typewriters I mean these

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guys didn't have a clue as to what they

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were looking at and there and remember

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all the terminology that we're getting

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to these brief interviews to these

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reports

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it's based on what they you know they

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knew what they understood at the time so

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one soldier hadn't even wrote everything

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we're finding is highly sophisticated in

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design way beyond our latest military

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electronic equipment it looks to be

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German possibly so this is what they

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were finding the commanding officer

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wrote that in each of the rooms there

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appeared to be devices small small

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devices similar to electronic television

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sets

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mamie German into parents and some of

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them are even immense in size flat

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covering almost every walls that they

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saw wherever there was equipment or

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electric machines nearby he says that at

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first they thought there were windows

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but they could see that somehow these or

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not they were part of these machines

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they found thick black cables with

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lighted wires inside they appeared to be

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like glass but we're physically

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malleable without causing damage even

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when twisting or bending them you know

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extremes from the ends of the wires or

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bundles of like exposed glass wires you

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have lighted ends that seemed to have

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been you know severed for some reason

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they were bullet and they were blinking

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transmitting seen with signals of some

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kind but they didn't know what it was

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where the power source was these are the

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types of things that they found and they

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were unfamiliar with all of it back to

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the fighting you know again neither they

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have found these Colt revolvers his

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Winchester repeating rifles and this

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initial stuff that was strewn about

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everywhere showing that there had been

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the deeper they went they started to

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realize that they were not alone there

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were lower levels to this facility and

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they had gone down to like a second

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level of the facility and they realized

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if there was somebody or something in

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there could have been animal could have

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been those other humans could have been

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these things that they found these small

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bodies that they had found they were not

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sure but what ended up happening was

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that they did position themselves there

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at the entrance of the cavern and

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somewhat inside of that upper level to

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this

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cavernous facility I found and they

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started removing everything the

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commanding officer had the sense of mind

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to tell these soldiers to not touch

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anything until they had experts come in

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and evaluate everything and then you

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know remove it with you know caution

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area you know protocol and as they were

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moving these things eventually they

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started hearing sounds noises and I

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don't want to go too much into detail

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about that aspect of it but Colonel

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these soldiers had actually broken away

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disobeyed orders when they were about to

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leave the facility and they had an

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encounter with the inhabitants on a much

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much lower level and all hell broke

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loose after that you know one of them

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was captured and the other one was

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running back and I really don't want to

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go into too much detail about that

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because that's for the book and it's a

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really really interesting part of this

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testimony I'll tell you what that we

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should discuss the detail to at least

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give our listeners a full picture of

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what's going on in terms of the initial

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exposure and then of course when the

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book comes out they can read all the

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details yeah so they began to find rooms

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more discoveries of equipment you know

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you know all throughout this facility

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and well why don't I go ahead and just

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you know tell you about these sheets

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that they found they found these these

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metallic sheets and this is the

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interesting part which I really liked

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about this testimony because it gave us

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a real real human grounded you know base

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they found these metallic sheets

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thousands of them everywhere they found

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01:39:28,390 --> 01:39:25,460
like libraries and stuff these sheets

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01:39:31,209 --> 01:39:28,400
were essentially you know stacked up in

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these type of like you know enclosures

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within the walls or whatever and on them

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01:39:40,300 --> 01:39:37,460
with Miss but machine like precision

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01:39:42,640 --> 01:39:40,310
were these etchings and the etchings

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were so significant to this

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fine because what they found on them was

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an Akkadian like turning a form writing

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system

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what was the sheets made out of I had to

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have been I don't know but I do know

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that there are wright-patterson Air

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Force Base right now and the last person

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to have seen them wait a minute no you

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know that that there are what

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wright-patterson how do you know that

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that's what the girl told me okay so you

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know that he told you that guys I'm

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going out the assumption that he's

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telling the truth Isis wouldn't even be

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in my book now he's saying that these

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sheets all of them we'll all of the

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artifacts from Dulce that were found

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initially in the 40s are now at

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wright-patterson Air Force Base and

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something called the vault there's a

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write the word word word is allegedly

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allegedly electrically got it okay so

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now I'll agree to that I'll actually yes

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to that allegedly all of these artifacts

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are in some warehouse at

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wright-patterson Air Force Base behind

2415
01:40:48,970 --> 01:40:46,520
something called the defaults and the

2416
01:40:51,160 --> 01:40:48,980
vaults something that once it's in there

2417
01:40:52,870 --> 01:40:51,170
it it would take an act of God for it to

2418
01:40:55,570 --> 01:40:52,880
ever come back out sounds like a

2419
01:40:57,730 --> 01:40:55,580
warehouse 13 in reality as opposed to

2420
01:40:59,350 --> 01:40:57,740
the sci-fi channel show all right let me

2421
01:41:01,720 --> 01:40:59,360
ask you another question here did the

2422
01:41:03,880 --> 01:41:01,730
colonel tell you what else is there in

2423
01:41:07,360 --> 01:41:03,890
the vault or is it just these items that

2424
01:41:09,490 --> 01:41:07,370
were recovered in this cave all I know

2425
01:41:11,800 --> 01:41:09,500
is based on what he told me it was just

2426
01:41:15,580 --> 01:41:11,810
these items from the cave which I mean

2427
01:41:17,380 --> 01:41:15,590
these items alone are of major

2428
01:41:18,790 --> 01:41:17,390
importance and interest dependent of

2429
01:41:20,890 --> 01:41:18,800
interest and we took people like me

2430
01:41:23,260 --> 01:41:20,900
armed with a computer background it's

2431
01:41:26,110 --> 01:41:23,270
amazing we don't think that the Nazis

2432
01:41:29,050 --> 01:41:26,120
maybe had some advanced technology we

2433
01:41:30,810 --> 01:41:29,060
didn't know about and that they employed

2434
01:41:33,310 --> 01:41:30,820
this stuff do you think it's

2435
01:41:38,020 --> 01:41:33,320
representative of a secret society on

2436
01:41:41,350 --> 01:41:38,030
earth or ET or what that's interesting

2437
01:41:45,700 --> 01:41:41,360
that you bring that up because the grace

2438
01:41:48,970 --> 01:41:45,710
are not the only the only non-human

2439
01:41:51,100 --> 01:41:48,980
species on this planet there's another

2440
01:41:53,530 --> 01:41:51,110
species which actually started out as

2441
01:41:55,230 --> 01:41:53,540
like the great they were totally alien

2442
01:41:58,830 --> 01:41:55,240
but now

2443
01:42:01,650 --> 01:41:58,840
because of circumstances they have had

2444
01:42:05,280 --> 01:42:01,660
they were forced to create this

2445
01:42:06,630 --> 01:42:05,290
alien-human hybrids for you know to

2446
01:42:08,100 --> 01:42:06,640
perpetuate their species to continue

2447
01:42:12,690 --> 01:42:08,110
lost they wouldn't be able to survive on

2448
01:42:14,100 --> 01:42:12,700
the planet and that not this is the

2449
01:42:15,570 --> 01:42:14,110
apples and oranges part of the story

2450
01:42:17,400 --> 01:42:15,580
this is going to drive people from nuts

2451
01:42:19,230 --> 01:42:17,410
I'll tell you what already I'll be

2452
01:42:20,700 --> 01:42:19,240
honest with you yeah there's a lot of

2453
01:42:22,440 --> 01:42:20,710
stuff here that people will find

2454
01:42:23,850 --> 01:42:22,450
incredible so I don't think we can make

2455
01:42:27,570 --> 01:42:23,860
them any more nuts than they might

2456
01:42:31,410 --> 01:42:27,580
already be okay oh good point Jane so

2457
01:42:33,540 --> 01:42:31,420
let me let me just go ahead and I've

2458
01:42:35,250 --> 01:42:33,550
jumped in this section really quickly so

2459
01:42:37,290 --> 01:42:35,260
people want to know the history how well

2460
01:42:38,670 --> 01:42:37,300
how did these grays and getting the

2461
01:42:40,400 --> 01:42:38,680
Dulce coverage in the first place right

2462
01:42:42,390 --> 01:42:40,410
and you guys want to know that right I

2463
01:42:45,680 --> 01:42:42,400
wanted to know that so I said well

2464
01:42:48,960 --> 01:42:45,690
wouldn't even come from so apparently a

2465
01:42:51,620 --> 01:42:48,970
million years ago a progenitor race of

2466
01:42:54,600 --> 01:42:51,630
aliens came to our solar system a

2467
01:42:57,510 --> 01:42:54,610
million a million years ago a million

2468
01:42:59,640 --> 01:42:57,520
years ago a progenitor race of aliens

2469
01:43:03,450 --> 01:42:59,650
came to our solar system from Sirius B

2470
01:43:06,330 --> 01:43:03,460
to inhabit Mars on Mars they tried to

2471
01:43:08,310 --> 01:43:06,340
live successfully until one day

2472
01:43:11,490 --> 01:43:08,320
unexpectedly some catastrophic event

2473
01:43:13,860 --> 01:43:11,500
occurred an asteroid destroyed the

2474
01:43:16,320 --> 01:43:13,870
planet and nearly all of its inhabitants

2475
01:43:17,910 --> 01:43:16,330
which were these progenitors they left

2476
01:43:19,740 --> 01:43:17,920
seriously for whatever reason I don't

2477
01:43:26,400 --> 01:43:19,750
know and then he doesn't even mention

2478
01:43:28,110 --> 01:43:26,410
that so that was that long ago now when

2479
01:43:29,340 --> 01:43:28,120
I didn't I researched on to that part of

2480
01:43:30,660 --> 01:43:29,350
the story of one of the possible

2481
01:43:32,430 --> 01:43:30,670
connections I found was that there's

2482
01:43:35,130 --> 01:43:32,440
just West African culture called the

2483
01:43:35,960 --> 01:43:35,140
Dogon who perform a ritual every six

2484
01:43:40,530 --> 01:43:35,970
years to honor

2485
01:43:43,650 --> 01:43:40,540
Sirius and and you know Sirius A and

2486
01:43:46,500 --> 01:43:43,660
Sirius B apparently they believe

2487
01:43:47,910 --> 01:43:46,510
extraterrestrials came from Sirius and

2488
01:43:50,160 --> 01:43:47,920
that's what they're honoring and I go

2489
01:43:51,900 --> 01:43:50,170
into that in the book but anyway after

2490
01:43:55,010 --> 01:43:51,910
the catastrophe the progenitor racer

2491
01:43:56,460 --> 01:43:55,020
left Mars to avert a complete extinction

2492
01:43:58,950 --> 01:43:56,470
on earth

2493
01:44:00,960 --> 01:43:58,960
although oxygen was plentiful its

2494
01:44:03,510 --> 01:44:00,970
environment had very little very low

2495
01:44:06,280 --> 01:44:03,520
levels of like nitrogen carbon dioxide

2496
01:44:08,350 --> 01:44:06,290
which were what they needed

2497
01:44:13,180 --> 01:44:08,360
to thrive and that's what they were at

2498
01:44:18,730 --> 01:44:13,190
Mars in the first place so the Pretender

2499
01:44:21,280 --> 01:44:18,740
to race decided to tool inland earth and

2500
01:44:23,350 --> 01:44:21,290
but they were dying okay let's go into

2501
01:44:25,780 --> 01:44:23,360
this legend or the story of the

2502
01:44:27,610 --> 01:44:25,790
progenitor race in a moment Anthony

2503
01:44:30,190 --> 01:44:27,620
Sanchez joining us on the power cast

2504
01:44:32,980 --> 01:44:30,200
this week the co-host is Chris O'Brien

2505
01:44:42,250 --> 01:44:32,990
I'm gene Steinberg you're in the para

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2519
01:45:12,190 --> 01:45:10,910
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2520
01:45:14,230 --> 01:45:12,200
Anderson have you ever wondered why

2521
01:45:16,180 --> 01:45:14,240
banks stockbrokers investment advisors

2522
01:45:18,550 --> 01:45:16,190
won't talk about gold IRAs they've been

2523
01:45:20,260 --> 01:45:18,560
available since 1986 yet the financial

2524
01:45:21,940 --> 01:45:20,270
industry won't recognize the value of

2525
01:45:23,890 --> 01:45:21,950
gold for your attire meant gold has

2526
01:45:25,810 --> 01:45:23,900
outperformed paper investments yet no

2527
01:45:38,490 --> 01:45:25,820
word about IRAs if you would like to

2528
01:45:44,260 --> 01:45:40,250
806-853-9949

2529
01:45:49,879 --> 01:45:47,090
welcome back to the podcast the gold

2530
01:46:03,030 --> 01:45:49,889
standard of paranormal radio and now

2531
01:46:07,530 --> 01:46:05,740
neighbors this is becoming wild and

2532
01:46:09,790 --> 01:46:07,540
wooly here we are now talking about

2533
01:46:12,370 --> 01:46:09,800
arrays indeed

2534
01:46:14,380 --> 01:46:12,380
Anthony Sanchez is our guest I'm gene

2535
01:46:16,450 --> 01:46:14,390
Steinberg Chris O'Brien's the co-host

2536
01:46:19,140 --> 01:46:16,460
and the sound effects technician

2537
01:46:21,550 --> 01:46:19,150
I think Nick Redfern does a better

2538
01:46:24,370 --> 01:46:21,560
deep-voiced laughs I can do a good

2539
01:46:27,010 --> 01:46:24,380
shadow laugh but not here people think I

2540
01:46:29,620 --> 01:46:27,020
do bad imitations Anthony you know that

2541
01:46:31,560 --> 01:46:29,630
we're obviously just fooling with you

2542
01:46:34,600 --> 01:46:31,570
but obviously this is something that

2543
01:46:37,150 --> 01:46:34,610
certainly fits in with a lot of

2544
01:46:39,460 --> 01:46:37,160
ufo-related legends I think of a case of

2545
01:46:42,790 --> 01:46:39,470
that the D rose and T Rose of Richard

2546
01:46:45,220 --> 01:46:42,800
shaver where the civilization goes this

2547
01:46:47,770 --> 01:46:45,230
is this is right down right down there

2548
01:46:50,290 --> 01:46:47,780
Palmer and Richard shavers alley boy but

2549
01:46:52,900 --> 01:46:50,300
Anthony okay are you accepting this

2550
01:46:54,970 --> 01:46:52,910
possibility because the colonel told you

2551
01:46:56,920 --> 01:46:54,980
this or did you do something that would

2552
01:46:59,110 --> 01:46:56,930
provide independent confirmation and

2553
01:47:01,480 --> 01:46:59,120
also how did he know just because he's a

2554
01:47:03,310 --> 01:47:01,490
colonel and maybe was working at Dulce

2555
01:47:04,960 --> 01:47:03,320
doesn't mean he knows all this stuff so

2556
01:47:07,480 --> 01:47:04,970
how did he come by this information

2557
01:47:09,550 --> 01:47:07,490
right exactly Anthony once you you know

2558
01:47:11,530 --> 01:47:09,560
give our listeners a sense of the

2559
01:47:13,650 --> 01:47:11,540
cuneiform tablets that were found or the

2560
01:47:16,870 --> 01:47:13,660
sheets the metal sheets that had the

2561
01:47:18,220 --> 01:47:16,880
uniform type writing and the fact that

2562
01:47:21,460 --> 01:47:18,230
they were able to decipher this

2563
01:47:23,080 --> 01:47:21,470
information yeah they actually once they

2564
01:47:25,390 --> 01:47:23,090
realized that they were looking at an

2565
01:47:27,850 --> 01:47:25,400
Akkadian style kunia forms this writing

2566
01:47:29,470 --> 01:47:27,860
system it was really easy for them to

2567
01:47:32,080 --> 01:47:29,480
translate everything it was much more

2568
01:47:35,440 --> 01:47:32,090
structure they had a much more complex

2569
01:47:39,520 --> 01:47:35,450
wom alphabetic system closer to the

2570
01:47:41,200 --> 01:47:39,530
heretic style of alphabet and he had it

2571
01:47:43,540 --> 01:47:41,210
even had phonetic properties to it that

2572
01:47:45,940 --> 01:47:43,550
they were able to somehow figure out and

2573
01:47:48,310 --> 01:47:45,950
I think that came about later with the

2574
01:47:51,610 --> 01:47:48,320
help of the inhabitants the greys

2575
01:47:55,780 --> 01:47:51,620
but what I do know and this is in the

2576
01:48:00,010 --> 01:47:55,790
book is that all of these all of these

2577
01:48:02,440 --> 01:48:00,020
seats were essentially catalyzed excuse

2578
01:48:04,870 --> 01:48:02,450
me they were sorted catalogued and then

2579
01:48:09,030 --> 01:48:04,880
put into a system electronically which

2580
01:48:10,919 --> 01:48:09,040
is still they're part of the DSD three

2581
01:48:14,189 --> 01:48:10,929
repositories

2582
01:48:16,709 --> 01:48:14,199
that's how the colonel knows about all

2583
01:48:18,990 --> 01:48:16,719
this he says he spent years reading this

2584
01:48:21,089 --> 01:48:19,000
stuff you know late at night you know

2585
01:48:23,580 --> 01:48:21,099
learning everything he could about them

2586
01:48:26,820 --> 01:48:23,590
and it was through the translations of

2587
01:48:29,609 --> 01:48:26,830
all of these these tablets these sheets

2588
01:48:31,290 --> 01:48:29,619
which I can allegedly are now at

2589
01:48:33,450 --> 01:48:31,300
wright-patterson Air Force and something

2590
01:48:35,760 --> 01:48:33,460
called the vault fell so he was able to

2591
01:48:38,459 --> 01:48:35,770
bring this stuff home and study it in

2592
01:48:43,020 --> 01:48:38,469
terms of the translations and there's no

2593
01:48:49,080 --> 01:48:43,030
data not bringing home dulce he had to

2594
01:48:50,550 --> 01:48:49,090
study it there at Dulce yeah no you said

2595
01:48:53,280 --> 01:48:50,560
late at night usually people go home

2596
01:48:57,899 --> 01:48:53,290
from work you know well some of us do

2597
01:48:59,339 --> 01:48:57,909
anyway exactly you G how is it no now

2598
01:49:01,200 --> 01:48:59,349
when you read the book you'll realize a

2599
01:49:03,899 --> 01:49:01,210
lot of these people here live at Dulce a

2600
01:49:06,959 --> 01:49:03,909
lot of the a lot of the people that work

2601
01:49:10,890 --> 01:49:06,969
in this intelligence command excuse me

2602
01:49:12,930 --> 01:49:10,900
in bfd3 an installation command they

2603
01:49:15,419 --> 01:49:12,940
actually live there as do some of the

2604
01:49:18,180 --> 01:49:15,429
scientific contingent who work there but

2605
01:49:20,939 --> 01:49:18,190
they do have settled it takes them right

2606
01:49:22,109 --> 01:49:20,949
back to the LANL access point they want

2607
01:49:24,510 --> 01:49:22,119
to go to their apartment or whatever in

2608
01:49:27,450 --> 01:49:24,520
Los Alamos or wherever they live so but

2609
01:49:29,280 --> 01:49:27,460
the history was studied something up for

2610
01:49:31,290 --> 01:49:29,290
the Mars that came to earth when they

2611
01:49:33,300 --> 01:49:31,300
came to earth they were dying they did

2612
01:49:34,560 --> 01:49:33,310
die but before they died they created

2613
01:49:37,339 --> 01:49:34,570
these offspring that were genetically

2614
01:49:40,770 --> 01:49:37,349
enhanced offspring but those offspring

2615
01:49:42,240 --> 01:49:40,780
somehow became you know where they

2616
01:49:46,859 --> 01:49:42,250
became afflicted with the same sickness

2617
01:49:48,689 --> 01:49:46,869
so they created an offspring again

2618
01:49:50,939 --> 01:49:48,699
genetically enhanced offspring these are

2619
01:49:52,709 --> 01:49:50,949
these asked these posture Albus people

2620
01:49:54,149 --> 01:49:52,719
that I'm talking about and that group

2621
01:49:57,450 --> 01:49:54,159
that preceded them were called the one

2622
01:49:59,839 --> 01:49:57,460
who Anu Anu and I don't know if there's

2623
01:50:02,220 --> 01:49:59,849
any relation to the N naki of the

2624
01:50:03,780 --> 01:50:02,230
zecharia sitchin but I know that the

2625
01:50:06,330 --> 01:50:03,790
colonel says these people were called

2626
01:50:08,220 --> 01:50:06,340
the I knew eight and you at the same

2627
01:50:10,080 --> 01:50:08,230
time that the progenitor is created

2628
01:50:12,930 --> 01:50:10,090
they're genetically enhanced Australian

2629
01:50:14,339 --> 01:50:12,940
you they created the Aloha the Aloha

2630
01:50:17,550 --> 01:50:14,349
were the greys

2631
01:50:20,310 --> 01:50:17,560
they were created to serve beyond you

2632
01:50:22,109 --> 01:50:20,320
and to also oversee the hominid

2633
01:50:24,629 --> 01:50:22,119
population at Birth remember all of this

2634
01:50:25,380 --> 01:50:24,639
happened once they came to earth but the

2635
01:50:27,300 --> 01:50:25,390
on

2636
01:50:28,860 --> 01:50:27,310
like to your like their predecessors

2637
01:50:30,330 --> 01:50:28,870
died off they knew they were going to

2638
01:50:33,530 --> 01:50:30,340
die out they created this austra albus

2639
01:50:35,850 --> 01:50:33,540
which was an alien and human

2640
01:50:37,080 --> 01:50:35,860
hybridization that goes back to why the

2641
01:50:39,510 --> 01:50:37,090
colonel wanted to talk to me in the

2642
01:50:43,770 --> 01:50:39,520
first place because I touched on that in

2643
01:50:45,540 --> 01:50:43,780
my blog now the lower grades were in

2644
01:50:48,080 --> 01:50:45,550
existence at the same time there's the

2645
01:50:51,270 --> 01:50:48,090
austra albus the onion had essentially

2646
01:50:53,100 --> 01:50:51,280
warned the austra albus that at some

2647
01:50:55,620 --> 01:50:53,110
point in time the graves could pose a

2648
01:50:57,780 --> 01:50:55,630
threat if the numbers increase so the

2649
01:50:59,820 --> 01:50:57,790
book goes into detail about how the

2650
01:51:04,140 --> 01:50:59,830
colonel says at some point in time the

2651
01:51:07,080 --> 01:51:04,150
austra albus infected the greys was

2652
01:51:10,050 --> 01:51:07,090
something that you know made their lives

2653
01:51:12,780 --> 01:51:10,060
healthy and and it created it made it so

2654
01:51:14,939 --> 01:51:12,790
that there it was it was impossible for

2655
01:51:17,760 --> 01:51:14,949
them to continue to thrive on the

2656
01:51:21,390 --> 01:51:17,770
surface therefore they moved him to the

2657
01:51:25,800 --> 01:51:21,400
other side of the planet and put them in

2658
01:51:28,320 --> 01:51:25,810
these subterranean caverns where they

2659
01:51:31,020 --> 01:51:28,330
could it would be like a sanctuary or

2660
01:51:32,280 --> 01:51:31,030
where they could work on recovering from

2661
01:51:33,930 --> 01:51:32,290
whatever was infecting them and they

2662
01:51:36,930 --> 01:51:33,940
didn't know that they were infected by

2663
01:51:39,270 --> 01:51:36,940
these austra albus and what's

2664
01:51:44,070 --> 01:51:39,280
interesting about the austra albus is

2665
01:51:47,550 --> 01:51:44,080
that they essentially became this very

2666
01:51:50,090 --> 01:51:47,560
very powerful human lineage which is

2667
01:51:52,050 --> 01:51:50,100
very reminiscent if not the Illuminati I

2668
01:51:54,030 --> 01:51:52,060
told you I was going to get into this

2669
01:51:57,180 --> 01:51:54,040
apples and oranges section and a lot of

2670
01:51:59,640 --> 01:51:57,190
people are gonna go watch but it sounds

2671
01:52:02,640 --> 01:51:59,650
like demonize sounds a lot like David

2672
01:52:03,959 --> 01:52:02,650
Icke so the infection caused an

2673
01:52:05,760 --> 01:52:03,969
inability to withstand the first

2674
01:52:08,070 --> 01:52:05,770
electrical magnetic radiation under

2675
01:52:13,740 --> 01:52:08,080
grace okay this is Richie Shaffer all

2676
01:52:16,860 --> 01:52:13,750
over again okay okay Ferb do you

2677
01:52:19,140 --> 01:52:16,870
remember the name Ray Palmer no okay ray

2678
01:52:21,479 --> 01:52:19,150
Palmer Richard shaver Ray Palmer was a

2679
01:52:23,910 --> 01:52:21,489
co-founder of faint magazine he was

2680
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editor of amazing stories in the 1940s

2681
01:52:28,439 --> 01:52:26,350
when Richard shaver came to him and

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01:52:30,270 --> 01:52:28,449
wrote stories of being in contact with

2683
01:52:32,970 --> 01:52:30,280
underground entities called the D rose

2684
01:52:35,459 --> 01:52:32,980
and the T rose Palmer was also involved

2685
01:52:37,630 --> 01:52:35,469
with Kenneth Arnold they wrote a book

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01:52:39,580 --> 01:52:37,640
called the coming of the saucers and

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that was enough amore island of fare

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01:52:43,600 --> 01:52:41,930
okay oh oh oh you know what when I was

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01:52:45,700 --> 01:52:43,610
at Angel Fire this woman from Los

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01:52:47,920 --> 01:52:45,710
Angeles approached me and was telling me

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about the barrows and what was the first

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that I had never heard about it so any

2693
01:52:55,540 --> 01:52:50,890
help

2694
01:52:57,670 --> 01:52:55,550
so the greys began to suffer but what

2695
01:53:01,320 --> 01:52:57,680
this is what's interesting they began to

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01:53:03,520 --> 01:53:01,330
espouse a religious doctrine which was a

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01:53:05,680 --> 01:53:03,530
reverence for the progenitor race who

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01:53:08,950 --> 01:53:05,690
had created them really didn't know that

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01:53:09,700 --> 01:53:08,960
they had been inspected by the offspring

2700
01:53:11,530 --> 01:53:09,710
of the progenitors

2701
01:53:13,900 --> 01:53:11,540
but over time somehow they figured it

2702
01:53:15,580 --> 01:53:13,910
out that austra albus group that I told

2703
01:53:17,320 --> 01:53:15,590
you about began a strict breeding

2704
01:53:19,750 --> 01:53:17,330
protocol eliminating as much of the

2705
01:53:21,970 --> 01:53:19,760
alien DNA for their lineage as they

2706
01:53:26,650 --> 01:53:21,980
could to become human about the parents

2707
01:53:28,450 --> 01:53:26,660
in anatomy and so all of that that

2708
01:53:31,000 --> 01:53:28,460
austra albus became a tightly controlled

2709
01:53:35,170 --> 01:53:31,010
bloodline with a small alien genetic

2710
01:53:37,410 --> 01:53:35,180
footprint and they became the people who

2711
01:53:40,180 --> 01:53:37,420
today represent the powers that be

2712
01:53:42,010 --> 01:53:40,190
amongst the race of humanity the oldest

2713
01:53:46,290 --> 01:53:42,020
and primary families including like your

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01:53:51,490 --> 01:53:49,240
so well I'm just telling you what I'm

2715
01:53:53,890 --> 01:53:51,500
you know what I'm getting from this

2716
01:53:57,030 --> 01:53:53,900
kernel and the human nature of the

2717
01:53:58,960 --> 01:53:57,040
lineage you know you have this primary

2718
01:54:00,430 --> 01:53:58,970
lineage and then you have these

2719
01:54:04,150 --> 01:54:00,440
interconnected families two other

2720
01:54:09,280 --> 01:54:04,160
lineages and there's this human it's

2721
01:54:10,960 --> 01:54:09,290
just human nature to sometimes to break

2722
01:54:15,040 --> 01:54:10,970
protocol and do it you're not supposed

2723
01:54:17,830 --> 01:54:15,050
to do and anything now these families

2724
01:54:19,330 --> 01:54:17,840
crossed continents apparently and human

2725
01:54:21,880 --> 01:54:19,340
appearance is inconsequential they're

2726
01:54:25,410 --> 01:54:21,890
North Americans Asians Africans

2727
01:54:28,360 --> 01:54:25,420
Europeans Australian South Americans

2728
01:54:31,360 --> 01:54:28,370
there's it this this is a real

2729
01:54:34,720 --> 01:54:31,370
interesting aspect to the story anyway

2730
01:54:38,200 --> 01:54:34,730
so the greys have been no essentially

2731
01:54:43,360 --> 01:54:38,210
sent there to die and they are still

2732
01:54:44,920 --> 01:54:43,370
dying apparently and that's why how many

2733
01:54:47,110 --> 01:54:44,930
were left at this point what are we

2734
01:54:48,370 --> 01:54:47,120
talking about in terms of numbers there

2735
01:54:51,339 --> 01:54:48,380
were tens of thousands of them just

2736
01:54:56,410 --> 01:54:51,349
about like 12,500 years ago

2737
01:54:58,870 --> 01:54:56,420
but after after this civil war that they

2738
01:55:00,580 --> 01:54:58,880
had amongst the grades apparently

2739
01:55:02,290 --> 01:55:00,590
there's such younger cast of Grey's

2740
01:55:04,379 --> 01:55:02,300
called the dissidents who don't espouse

2741
01:55:08,530 --> 01:55:04,389
the same doctoring ask the older

2742
01:55:12,310 --> 01:55:08,540
lower-level grades they because they

2743
01:55:15,310 --> 01:55:12,320
wire the parent what the the dissident

2744
01:55:16,780 --> 01:55:15,320
grades don't want to worship this daddy

2745
01:55:19,180 --> 01:55:16,790
whose offspring

2746
01:55:21,459 --> 01:55:19,190
you know it's killing you know infected

2747
01:55:25,240 --> 01:55:21,469
them okay so we're talking about various

2748
01:55:27,280 --> 01:55:25,250
factions in greys okay only two

2749
01:55:29,950 --> 01:55:27,290
fractions of Grey's Anthony Sanchez

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joining us on the pair Akash the co-host

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is Chris O'Brien I'm gene Steinberg

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Anthony Sanchez joining us we're talking

2846
02:00:24,730 --> 02:00:22,970
about two classes and Gray's here and

2847
02:00:26,740 --> 02:00:24,740
we'll pursue this in a moment he has a

2848
02:00:29,140 --> 02:00:26,750
book coming out called UFO highway that

2849
02:00:31,330 --> 02:00:29,150
explains what all this is about

2850
02:00:33,220 --> 02:00:31,340
Chrissa Brian's the co-host I'm Jean

2851
02:00:35,470 --> 02:00:33,230
Steinberg you're in the power cast and

2852
02:00:37,480 --> 02:00:35,480
as we progress here and we're in the

2853
02:00:39,730 --> 02:00:37,490
final hour of the show something occurs

2854
02:00:41,700 --> 02:00:39,740
to me this Colonel do you think he's

2855
02:00:46,540 --> 02:00:41,710
telling you a story

2856
02:00:50,860 --> 02:00:46,550
no no because there's two parts to this

2857
02:00:55,030 --> 02:00:50,870
whole testimony there's his spark which

2858
02:00:58,060 --> 02:00:55,040
is what he did and how he interacted

2859
02:01:00,910 --> 02:00:58,070
with certain principles throughout this

2860
02:01:03,700 --> 02:01:00,920
whole you know dulce affair and then

2861
02:01:06,160 --> 02:01:03,710
this whole history aspect it's just what

2862
02:01:08,410 --> 02:01:06,170
he learned and he's only relating to me

2863
02:01:11,560 --> 02:01:08,420
what he learned and how it you know

2864
02:01:13,750 --> 02:01:11,570
relates to what we know today there's

2865
02:01:15,910 --> 02:01:13,760
connections throughout all of this stuff

2866
02:01:18,550 --> 02:01:15,920
I mean I'm I'm seeing bits and pieces

2867
02:01:20,620 --> 02:01:18,560
and I'd research UFOs and you know

2868
02:01:22,450 --> 02:01:20,630
similar type fields for 20 years now and

2869
02:01:24,790 --> 02:01:22,460
I'm seeing connections and they wait a

2870
02:01:27,270 --> 02:01:24,800
minute in Anthony if you've researched

2871
02:01:32,380 --> 02:01:27,280
subterranean claims of subterranean

2872
02:01:34,660 --> 02:01:32,390
civilizations I know you know I'm trying

2873
02:01:36,940 --> 02:01:34,670
to you know my I'm suspending my

2874
02:01:38,620 --> 02:01:36,950
disbelief here as much as possible but

2875
02:01:42,070 --> 02:01:38,630
you know you've got to do some digging

2876
02:01:43,510 --> 02:01:42,080
guy and and really get up to speed on a

2877
02:01:47,050 --> 02:01:43,520
lot of this stuff because the shaver

2878
02:01:50,200 --> 02:01:47,060
mysteries I think are really crucial in

2879
02:01:53,350 --> 02:01:50,210
this whole underground alien dwelling

2880
02:01:55,420 --> 02:01:53,360
civilization scenario and don't want to

2881
02:01:57,540 --> 02:01:55,430
sound like I'm spanking you here but at

2882
02:02:00,430 --> 02:01:57,550
the same time you know it's it's really

2883
02:02:03,520 --> 02:02:00,440
important to do the digging pardon the

2884
02:02:05,500 --> 02:02:03,530
pun no and you know what Chris and I do

2885
02:02:07,960 --> 02:02:05,510
it's just that you have to keep in mind

2886
02:02:10,750 --> 02:02:07,970
for 20 years you know I have been

2887
02:02:13,000 --> 02:02:10,760
working on human origins transformation

2888
02:02:14,950 --> 02:02:13,010
hypothesis and studying the heart of

2889
02:02:17,620 --> 02:02:14,960
Project Blue Beam conspiracies but

2890
02:02:19,480 --> 02:02:17,630
working on connections between - Project

2891
02:02:21,730 --> 02:02:19,490
Blue Beam I never was a specialist in

2892
02:02:24,970 --> 02:02:21,740
the underground subterranean facilities

2893
02:02:26,860 --> 02:02:24,980
well you quickly died well I had read

2894
02:02:28,510 --> 02:02:26,870
some books on you know from from Richard

2895
02:02:30,820 --> 02:02:28,520
Schauder and

2896
02:02:33,310 --> 02:02:30,830
other stuff but listen prior to January

2897
02:02:35,470 --> 02:02:33,320
of this year this whole underground sub

2898
02:02:37,210 --> 02:02:35,480
training facility this is brand new to

2899
02:02:39,340 --> 02:02:37,220
me this is brand new to me and I've

2900
02:02:41,380 --> 02:02:39,350
spent the last nine months

2901
02:02:43,780 --> 02:02:41,390
you know absorbing so much information

2902
02:02:46,480 --> 02:02:43,790
about you know the known underground

2903
02:02:48,490 --> 02:02:46,490
facilities like you know map Pony and

2904
02:02:51,280 --> 02:02:48,500
Montano did the underground nuclear

2905
02:02:53,890 --> 02:02:51,290
storage facility thing you know and then

2906
02:02:57,730 --> 02:02:53,900
maybe the alleged underground facilities

2907
02:02:59,560 --> 02:02:57,740
like in Sedona Arizona in Dulce now I

2908
02:03:01,330 --> 02:02:59,570
believe in the dulcet that there's

2909
02:03:03,550 --> 02:03:01,340
something there Dulce based on my

2910
02:03:05,500 --> 02:03:03,560
research I had done the digging I have

2911
02:03:07,570 --> 02:03:05,510
made the phone calls I have filed this

2912
02:03:09,010 --> 02:03:07,580
the forms and I have sent the letters

2913
02:03:10,740 --> 02:03:09,020
right now you have and that's why you're

2914
02:03:13,300 --> 02:03:10,750
on the show so why don't you can tell

2915
02:03:14,650 --> 02:03:13,310
we're in our situation where we're

2916
02:03:17,860 --> 02:03:14,660
talking about hybrid designs a

2917
02:03:20,860 --> 02:03:17,870
hybridization of these of these grades

2918
02:03:24,580 --> 02:03:20,870
we have two factions and we're talking

2919
02:03:27,010 --> 02:03:24,590
about a timeline that we're what twelve

2920
02:03:29,490 --> 02:03:27,020
thousand five hundred years ago once you

2921
02:03:31,630 --> 02:03:29,500
continue from that point yeah so

2922
02:03:33,580 --> 02:03:31,640
essentially you know this dissident

2923
02:03:34,960 --> 02:03:33,590
class of grace who said hell no I don't

2924
02:03:37,120 --> 02:03:34,970
want we don't want to worship these

2925
02:03:39,010 --> 02:03:37,130
progenitors anymore because they had

2926
02:03:40,810 --> 02:03:39,020
apparently they lived by the set of laws

2927
02:03:43,570 --> 02:03:40,820
that were based on the doctrine this

2928
02:03:45,370 --> 02:03:43,580
religious doctrine and you know once

2929
02:03:47,050 --> 02:03:45,380
they made the discovery knew that they'd

2930
02:03:48,910 --> 02:03:47,060
been inspected by the offspring of these

2931
02:03:52,600 --> 02:03:48,920
progenitors why are they gonna want to

2932
02:03:55,600 --> 02:03:52,610
worship these people so and anyhow you

2933
02:03:58,210 --> 02:03:55,610
know all that they do is work to survive

2934
02:04:01,540 --> 02:03:58,220
and try to figure out how to continue

2935
02:04:03,400 --> 02:04:01,550
living all these cattle mutilations all

2936
02:04:05,140 --> 02:04:03,410
these human mutilations everything that

2937
02:04:07,030 --> 02:04:05,150
you hear about that happens within the

2938
02:04:11,490 --> 02:04:07,040
1000 mile radius of the Four Corners

2939
02:04:13,900 --> 02:04:11,500
region happens because of these grades

2940
02:04:18,750 --> 02:04:13,910
based on all the information that I have

2941
02:04:21,360 --> 02:04:18,760
here you know all of you more modern

2942
02:04:24,880 --> 02:04:21,370
abductions are taking place because of

2943
02:04:27,030 --> 02:04:24,890
the military facilitated facilitating

2944
02:04:31,030 --> 02:04:27,040
these exercises through the use of of

2945
02:04:33,520 --> 02:04:31,040
great technology but cheap but for

2946
02:04:35,590 --> 02:04:33,530
real-world applications like you know

2947
02:04:38,590 --> 02:04:35,600
testing the effects of ricin and anthrax

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02:04:40,900 --> 02:04:38,600
on a cow you know exercising the

2949
02:04:42,399 --> 02:04:40,910
glandular organs and vital organs and

2950
02:04:45,100 --> 02:04:42,409
taking them back to

2951
02:04:48,129 --> 02:04:45,110
their facilities are the laboratories

2952
02:04:51,610 --> 02:04:48,139
for analysis same thing is happening

2953
02:04:53,439 --> 02:04:51,620
with the abduction of humans and all of

2954
02:04:55,689 --> 02:04:53,449
this again is being facilitated through

2955
02:04:57,180 --> 02:04:55,699
the use of great technology and some of

2956
02:04:59,850 --> 02:04:57,190
it is being done for conventional

2957
02:05:02,709 --> 02:04:59,860
Anthony just for future reference on

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radio programs you know the a word

2959
02:05:11,320 --> 02:05:06,949
allegedly it's really important so

2960
02:05:13,000 --> 02:05:11,330
allegedly so anyhow today the numbers

2961
02:05:14,350 --> 02:05:13,010
the graves number about a thousand

2962
02:05:18,910 --> 02:05:14,360
that's it because again they're

2963
02:05:23,649 --> 02:05:18,920
continually dying and that's allegedly

2964
02:05:26,320 --> 02:05:23,659
you know the was in the nineteen forties

2965
02:05:27,640 --> 02:05:26,330
and we made this discovery and there's a

2966
02:05:29,800 --> 02:05:27,650
lot of interesting information in the

2967
02:05:31,930 --> 02:05:29,810
book talks about their two facilities

2968
02:05:34,689 --> 02:05:31,940
outside of the main facility I mean

2969
02:05:37,479 --> 02:05:34,699
underneath the Archuleta Mesa does your

2970
02:05:40,360 --> 02:05:37,489
technical area you know there's a tid

2971
02:05:42,310 --> 02:05:40,370
one facility which is the main area off

2972
02:05:45,010 --> 02:05:42,320
of the eastern slope extending out

2973
02:05:49,510 --> 02:05:45,020
towards the county roads I'm gonna say

2974
02:05:52,300 --> 02:05:49,520
357 is ta d2 which is a two-level

2975
02:05:56,890 --> 02:05:52,310
underground security auxilary and in

2976
02:05:59,830 --> 02:05:56,900
1991 then was the third facility

2977
02:06:04,649 --> 02:05:59,840
completed in Leandro Canyon which is

2978
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southwest of the mean Dulce area

2979
02:06:11,560 --> 02:06:09,469
facility near Leandro tank and directly

2980
02:06:17,169 --> 02:06:11,570
beneath the project gas buzzy Ground

2981
02:06:20,290 --> 02:06:17,179
Zero locations and in 1990s is when the

2982
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leaks began of my labs and super

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02:06:25,570 --> 02:06:22,699
soldiers and bioagent development you

2984
02:06:27,310 --> 02:06:25,580
know all the you know digging began to

2985
02:06:30,669 --> 02:06:27,320
emerge at the same time as this

2986
02:06:32,470 --> 02:06:30,679
supposing an alleged ta d3 facility was

2987
02:06:34,240 --> 02:06:32,480
completed you know what this is the

2988
02:06:36,879 --> 02:06:34,250
point here about everything being

2989
02:06:38,979 --> 02:06:36,889
alleged took that is this kernel could

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be feeding you disinformation hoping

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that you'll come out with this book

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eventually or some kind of public

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description and make a Garn fool of

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yourself or a damn fool of myself now

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how do you look at this guy maybe he is

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who he says he is but how do you verify

2997
02:06:56,060 --> 02:06:54,720
any of this stuff

2998
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I had to physically go to these

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locations to verify some of this stuff I

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went to Dulce I went off of the eastern

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slope up from Lumberton up there County

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County 350 or 357 and I went to where he

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told me to find something and I didn't

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saw some mysterious stuff out there you

3005
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know first of all if you've ever been to

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Dulce there's pretty much nothing off of

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the eastern slope except some some homes

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that are in you know in cabins that are

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not even inhabited the entire year

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02:07:30,020 --> 02:07:27,780
around so it's strange to see some of

3011
02:07:32,600 --> 02:07:30,030
the things that I saw there with my own

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eyes you know strange things that look

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like transformer sitting in the middle

3014
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of nowhere

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they could be innocuous they could be

3016
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innocently there because they provide

3017
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electricity to these homes but I just

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saw some weird stuff that was pointed

3019
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out to me to look for you know my due

3020
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diligence went there and found stuff

3021
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that wasn't supposed to be there that

3022
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was there I can vouch to that I've been

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all through that area on a number of

3024
02:07:57,110 --> 02:07:54,810
occasions and in support of what you're

3025
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saying you know I agree there are a lot

3026
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of very strange things going on around

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the Dulce area and you know I don't

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consider myself to be the most sensitive

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guy in the world but there's a real

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creepy feeling around there that it's

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hard to put into words so we have to

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break before we continue with the level

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of discomfort you're going to report

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here and what happened to you and I

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haven't been there so I can't vouch for

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Anthony and you feel well things are

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strange a creepy feeling do you think

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you might have been spooked by all the

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stories about what's going on there a

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little bit you know it's natural you

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know human nature to be exciting of what

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before driving out to Lumberton I was in

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Dulce and I was talking with people in

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Dulce over at the Best Western in Korea

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and and they had told me that that

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morning they had there had been

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helicopters flying over the area and

3162
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then there was a caravan of Humvees and

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two white vans nobody knows where they

3164
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came from they just drove straight

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through the town towards Lumberton North

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you know eastward towards Lumberton and

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that kind of freaked me out you know so

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I was constantly I think partially I was

3169
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on the lookout for that and I didn't

3170
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want to encounter that so I tried that

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was a little bit unnerved I did go out

3172
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to as far as I could into this area off

3173
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the main road off me a county road and I

3174
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did find some things that just you know

3175
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didn't make sense to me what appeared to

3176
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be like small transformers and stuff and

3177
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did just there was nothing there

3178
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so they just I don't know anything how

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the one thing that I didn't want to

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mention that I thought that the two of

3181
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you might find interesting is this when

3182
02:14:28,830 --> 02:14:25,510
I started doing my research into this

3183
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alleged tid 3 which was completed in

3184
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1991 hence was supposed to have been

3185
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completed around 1980 according to the

3186
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colonel but because of what had happened

3187
02:14:42,450 --> 02:14:39,780
there in 79 everything came to a stop

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the only thing that managed to be

3189
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completed which was part of the original

3190
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development plans for this third

3191
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facility was this water abatement called

3192
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leandro tank and leandro tank is I mean

3193
02:14:57,120 --> 02:14:56,679
literally across the road from ground

3194
02:15:00,990 --> 02:14:57,130
zero

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of project gas buggy it is it 30 by 30

3196
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water at Baker the little small

3197
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reservoir for cattle but there are no

3198
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cattle there well let me let me just

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bring our listeners up to speed about

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project gas buggy I think it was in 1966

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correct me if I'm wrong the Department

3202
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of Energy exploded a small tactical nuke

3203
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way down into the ground and I guess was

3204
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an effort to release natural gas so they

3205
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could be exploited by the energy

3206
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companies continued yeah so anyhow they

3207
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found that that the gas was heavily

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irradiated and unusable or whatever but

3209
02:15:44,370 --> 02:15:40,030
yeah thank you for that background Chris

3210
02:15:47,580 --> 02:15:44,380
um Lee under tank was completed in 1980

3211
02:15:51,330 --> 02:15:47,590
and what it's used for according to the

3212
02:15:54,930 --> 02:15:51,340
cradle it's not for the rehydration of

3213
02:15:58,680 --> 02:15:54,940
cattle but because it's situated where

3214
02:16:00,240 --> 02:15:58,690
it is on top of Ground Zero it's used

3215
02:16:02,819 --> 02:16:00,250
for the dumping of toxic chemicals

3216
02:16:04,709 --> 02:16:02,829
wastes from that scientific facility

3217
02:16:05,250 --> 02:16:04,719
that third facility that's what it's

3218
02:16:07,020 --> 02:16:05,260
used for

3219
02:16:08,430 --> 02:16:07,030
right and English I would they're

3220
02:16:10,649 --> 02:16:08,440
legally because it's on

3221
02:16:13,169 --> 02:16:10,659
sovereign Native American land that's

3222
02:16:16,950 --> 02:16:13,179
right so and nobody's doing any checking

3223
02:16:20,010 --> 02:16:16,960
out there and so that's that was one

3224
02:16:21,600 --> 02:16:20,020
point of interest that I came across you

3225
02:16:24,540 --> 02:16:21,610
know one points of interest with regards

3226
02:16:25,919 --> 02:16:24,550
to researching the claims made by the

3227
02:16:29,399 --> 02:16:25,929
colonel with regards to this third

3228
02:16:31,050 --> 02:16:29,409
facility and I just thought I would

3229
02:16:32,370 --> 02:16:31,060
mention that that there's this water it

3230
02:16:34,650 --> 02:16:32,380
being mean for cattle but there are no

3231
02:16:36,629 --> 02:16:34,660
cattle and it's on top of a heavily

3232
02:16:39,179 --> 02:16:36,639
irradiated area go figure

3233
02:16:42,780 --> 02:16:39,189
yeah with some of the highest incidence

3234
02:16:45,209 --> 02:16:42,790
of environmental cancers on record in

3235
02:16:47,070 --> 02:16:45,219
the United States by the way ok and you

3236
02:16:48,719 --> 02:16:47,080
guys I gotta bring this up right now

3237
02:16:50,190 --> 02:16:48,729
because I know that we have two segments

3238
02:16:52,889 --> 02:16:50,200
left or one thing that left after this

3239
02:16:55,080 --> 02:16:52,899
the reason why the colonel is giving me

3240
02:16:57,570 --> 02:16:55,090
this testimony is because of human

3241
02:16:59,429 --> 02:16:57,580
rights violations and environmental

3242
02:17:00,660 --> 02:16:59,439
disasters that are occurring there and

3243
02:17:04,230 --> 02:17:00,670
he says it's just gonna get worse

3244
02:17:05,910 --> 02:17:04,240
he was hoping for disclosure he was

3245
02:17:09,570 --> 02:17:05,920
hired in 1983 he was hoping for

3246
02:17:10,860 --> 02:17:09,580
disclosure by the year 2000 and like he

3247
02:17:14,580 --> 02:17:10,870
said to me it's now 10 years later

3248
02:17:15,839 --> 02:17:14,590
there's nothing and if we knew what was

3249
02:17:19,230 --> 02:17:15,849
happening there

3250
02:17:21,570 --> 02:17:19,240
there's I wish I remember how he put it

3251
02:17:24,089 --> 02:17:21,580
he called it innocent collateral

3252
02:17:28,770 --> 02:17:24,099
something with regards to innocent

3253
02:17:31,889 --> 02:17:28,780
people being abducted and being used for

3254
02:17:34,350 --> 02:17:31,899
these experiments he says it no one with

3255
02:17:36,299 --> 02:17:34,360
what stand still for you know what is

3256
02:17:37,980 --> 02:17:36,309
taking place there I mean look at Travis

3257
02:17:40,230 --> 02:17:37,990
Walton and we look at Myrna Hanson and

3258
02:17:44,490 --> 02:17:40,240
her six-year-old son those are two cases

3259
02:17:46,440 --> 02:17:44,500
I believe I don't know much about Krista

3260
02:17:48,719 --> 02:17:46,450
Tilton and I know that she claims to

3261
02:17:52,860 --> 02:17:48,729
have had an experience being abducted

3262
02:17:54,870 --> 02:17:52,870
there and possibly taken to Dulce but it

3263
02:17:57,209 --> 02:17:54,880
involves an aspect of the reptilian

3264
02:18:00,629 --> 02:17:57,219
story which I'm not that familiar with

3265
02:18:02,160 --> 02:18:00,639
and I really don't have I'm gonna tell

3266
02:18:03,690 --> 02:18:02,170
you I asked the colonel outright because

3267
02:18:05,940 --> 02:18:03,700
people were going to ask me were there

3268
02:18:09,060 --> 02:18:05,950
reptilians there at Dulce no there's no

3269
02:18:11,700 --> 02:18:09,070
there was never any reptilians at Dulce

3270
02:18:14,339 --> 02:18:11,710
it is Grey's then there's the only ones

3271
02:18:15,660 --> 02:18:14,349
that are part of the story with regards

3272
02:18:18,209 --> 02:18:15,670
to the history understanding these

3273
02:18:19,950 --> 02:18:18,219
progenitors they're to offspring and the

3274
02:18:20,690 --> 02:18:19,960
Cassatt that created the greys just

3275
02:18:22,610 --> 02:18:20,700
served

3276
02:18:24,860 --> 02:18:22,620
their offspring well where are we now

3277
02:18:27,080 --> 02:18:24,870
with the whole scenario I mean what's

3278
02:18:29,930 --> 02:18:27,090
going on there today to your knowledge

3279
02:18:33,980 --> 02:18:29,940
in the 1990s apparently this malevolent

3280
02:18:37,820 --> 02:18:33,990
organization took over AF OSI and and

3281
02:18:42,830 --> 02:18:37,830
even VSD 3 and they started these mylabs

3282
02:18:46,040 --> 02:18:42,840
programs they started they started you

3283
02:18:50,630 --> 02:18:46,050
know these distances but it's biogenetic

3284
02:18:52,370 --> 02:18:50,640
experimentation openly on potentially

3285
02:18:57,110 --> 02:18:52,380
innocent people being abducted I don't

3286
02:18:59,209 --> 02:18:57,120
know there's a lot of bad stuff going on

3287
02:19:02,000 --> 02:18:59,219
and that's the reason why the colonel

3288
02:19:04,580 --> 02:19:02,010
wants his story out so are we talking

3289
02:19:07,100 --> 02:19:04,590
about a joint operated facility

3290
02:19:09,920 --> 02:19:07,110
underneath underneath Archuleta Mesa as

3291
02:19:12,590 --> 02:19:09,930
the you know as the stories go or you

3292
02:19:14,120 --> 02:19:12,600
know once you clue us in what what how

3293
02:19:16,670 --> 02:19:14,130
much does the colonel know about what's

3294
02:19:18,470 --> 02:19:16,680
currently going on there a lot a lot

3295
02:19:19,580 --> 02:19:18,480
because he is part of this intelligence

3296
02:19:21,620 --> 02:19:19,590
channel that I was telling you about

3297
02:19:26,540 --> 02:19:21,630
earlier that has a connection to a group

3298
02:19:28,730 --> 02:19:26,550
called comm 12.com 12 fights the that

3299
02:19:31,010 --> 02:19:28,740
malevolent organization that he talks

3300
02:19:33,770 --> 02:19:31,020
about which I think has ties to mg 12

3301
02:19:34,330 --> 02:19:33,780
majestic 12 okay okay now here we go

3302
02:19:36,890 --> 02:19:34,340
again

3303
02:19:41,870 --> 02:19:36,900
let me ask you a question do you believe

3304
02:19:44,480 --> 02:19:41,880
in mj-12 you know I personally met with

3305
02:19:47,480 --> 02:19:44,490
Stanton Friedman and I believe that some

3306
02:19:50,900 --> 02:19:47,490
of the documents that resulted from that

3307
02:19:53,210 --> 02:19:50,910
whole mg 12 episode or validated to be

3308
02:19:55,700 --> 02:19:53,220
true yeah well you understand though

3309
02:19:57,801 --> 02:19:55,710
that mj-12 is very controversial and a

3310
02:20:01,430 --> 02:19:57,811
lot of every respective UFO researchers

3311
02:20:02,900 --> 02:20:01,440
do not accept the mj-12 documents even

3312
02:20:04,551 --> 02:20:02,910
if they believe on some of the things

3313
02:20:08,600 --> 02:20:04,561
that are referred to in those documents

3314
02:20:12,080 --> 02:20:08,610
such as roswell yeah yeah i tend to

3315
02:20:14,000 --> 02:20:12,090
believe that mg 12 is very real and a

3316
02:20:17,270 --> 02:20:14,010
lot of the claims made a lot of the a

3317
02:20:20,030 --> 02:20:17,280
lot of the points that came out of the

3318
02:20:23,330 --> 02:20:20,040
mg 12 documents are in fact real so

3319
02:20:26,780 --> 02:20:23,340
that's that as a UFO researcher with 20

3320
02:20:29,120 --> 02:20:26,790
years of my own you know work amount of

3321
02:20:32,000 --> 02:20:29,130
work in this business in this field I my

3322
02:20:33,380 --> 02:20:32,010
believe I believe in Roswell even a

3323
02:20:37,280 --> 02:20:33,390
speck I believe is headed

3324
02:20:39,740 --> 02:20:37,290
I believe in quite a bit of the themes

3325
02:20:42,080 --> 02:20:39,750
that have occurred within the Southwest

3326
02:20:45,801 --> 02:20:42,090
you know with regards to what I don't

3327
02:20:47,630 --> 02:20:45,811
you know be you know yeah ok so I

3328
02:20:50,660 --> 02:20:47,640
understand also with regard to Aztec

3329
02:20:52,970 --> 02:20:50,670
I'll be fair to Frank one yes and I'll

3330
02:20:53,540 --> 02:20:52,980
be fair to Scott Ramsay the book isn't

3331
02:20:56,360 --> 02:20:53,550
out yet

3332
02:20:58,761 --> 02:20:56,370
when we have the book we're going to

3333
02:21:00,680 --> 02:20:58,771
interview Scott Ramsay interview

3334
02:21:02,780 --> 02:21:00,690
Kevin Randall who does not believe in

3335
02:21:05,240 --> 02:21:02,790
Aztec put them together in the first

3336
02:21:07,160 --> 02:21:05,250
same virtual room and let them have at

3337
02:21:09,350 --> 02:21:07,170
each other and discuss the ins and outs

3338
02:21:12,051 --> 02:21:09,360
of that case until of course the book

3339
02:21:14,150 --> 02:21:12,061
comes out all I can say is officially

3340
02:21:15,890 --> 02:21:14,160
we're kind of skeptical about it if you

3341
02:21:17,750 --> 02:21:15,900
accept it that's fine you know I

3342
02:21:19,761 --> 02:21:17,760
appreciate that and certainly I'm sure

3343
02:21:21,650 --> 02:21:19,771
that Scott Ramsay is quite serious Frank

3344
02:21:23,840 --> 02:21:21,660
Warren's a person I know personally and

3345
02:21:26,420 --> 02:21:23,850
respect a lot and the fact that he

3346
02:21:27,530 --> 02:21:26,430
believes in it well that leads me to

3347
02:21:31,790 --> 02:21:27,540
want to take it seriously

3348
02:21:33,560 --> 02:21:31,800
now sure yeah

3349
02:21:35,600 --> 02:21:33,570
okay well that's that's important too

3350
02:21:38,060 --> 02:21:35,610
you know I'm trying to at least give it

3351
02:21:40,460 --> 02:21:38,070
serious attention yeah but that's again

3352
02:21:43,100 --> 02:21:40,470
this is why I worry about this guy which

3353
02:21:45,470 --> 02:21:43,110
is if he's telling you all this is he

3354
02:21:47,450 --> 02:21:45,480
there to basically pull the wool over

3355
02:21:49,820 --> 02:21:47,460
your eyes because we hear about so many

3356
02:21:52,220 --> 02:21:49,830
of these cases about UFO disinformation

3357
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I mean you're talking yourself about in

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your book you're talking about a device

3359
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that could be used to well create fake

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UFO sightings how do you know how can

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you tell

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we're talking to Anthony Sanchez he has

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3478
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3479
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3480
02:27:06,621 --> 02:27:04,530
GCN's great talk radio starts here Chris

3481
02:27:09,081 --> 02:27:06,631
O'Brien's the co-host anthony Sanchez is

3482
02:27:10,881 --> 02:27:09,091
the guest Jean Steinberg is someone I

3483
02:27:14,211 --> 02:27:10,891
haven't figured out what you're in the

3484
02:27:15,381 --> 02:27:14,221
para cast and we're totally in dinosaur

3485
02:27:17,150 --> 02:27:15,391
right there gene

3486
02:27:19,400 --> 02:27:17,160
well maybe I'm one of those Gray's but

3487
02:27:21,530 --> 02:27:19,410
I'm too tall to be a gray okay it's six

3488
02:27:24,291 --> 02:27:21,540
one and a half you can't be a great I

3489
02:27:27,230 --> 02:27:24,301
used to be 62 but you shrink burro not a

3490
02:27:28,970 --> 02:27:27,240
tall order oh you're a burro I haven't

3491
02:27:31,400 --> 02:27:28,980
figured out what I am some people say

3492
02:27:34,970 --> 02:27:31,410
things about what I am but those things

3493
02:27:36,591 --> 02:27:34,980
cannot be used on commercial radio yes

3494
02:27:38,720 --> 02:27:36,601
George Carlin could tell you what those

3495
02:27:41,930 --> 02:27:38,730
words are that's as far as we okay

3496
02:27:43,640 --> 02:27:41,940
Anthony we have one section left so we

3497
02:27:45,921 --> 02:27:43,650
know that you're putting together this

3498
02:27:49,041 --> 02:27:45,931
material in the book this material in

3499
02:27:50,511 --> 02:27:49,051
the book about dulce and obviously you

3500
02:27:51,890 --> 02:27:50,521
take the kernels seriously you don't

3501
02:27:54,220 --> 02:27:51,900
think he's pulling the wool over your

3502
02:27:58,631 --> 02:27:54,230
eyes or engaging in disinformation right

3503
02:28:01,881 --> 02:27:58,641
yeah okay documentation notwithstanding

3504
02:28:03,881 --> 02:28:01,891
as a responsible research you know it

3505
02:28:06,921 --> 02:28:03,891
still was not enough for me to rely upon

3506
02:28:08,450 --> 02:28:06,931
his info as the be-all end-all of the

3507
02:28:10,100 --> 02:28:08,460
matter you know in addition to the data

3508
02:28:12,320 --> 02:28:10,110
that I had received from him as part of

3509
02:28:15,860 --> 02:28:12,330
my investigation you know I needed to

3510
02:28:17,980 --> 02:28:15,870
take it further I wanted to see if there

3511
02:28:20,030 --> 02:28:17,990
was any compelling evidence quotes

3512
02:28:23,331 --> 02:28:20,040
potential links to the reality that

3513
02:28:25,940 --> 02:28:23,341
something was in fact there and not just

3514
02:28:27,831 --> 02:28:25,950
any pieces of data but from from you

3515
02:28:32,030 --> 02:28:27,841
know from just anyone or any source but

3516
02:28:35,180 --> 02:28:32,040
data that his substance to it and

3517
02:28:38,421 --> 02:28:35,190
Anthony really you know I tip my hat to

3518
02:28:41,421 --> 02:28:38,431
your dogged you know determination and

3519
02:28:42,950 --> 02:28:41,431
the extent of the research that you've

3520
02:28:43,761 --> 02:28:42,960
done that's it's really highly

3521
02:28:46,610 --> 02:28:43,771
commendable

3522
02:28:48,200 --> 02:28:46,620
thank you so you know again you know

3523
02:28:49,881 --> 02:28:48,210
something that had substance to it you

3524
02:28:52,490 --> 02:28:49,891
know which could facilitate directions

3525
02:28:54,470 --> 02:28:52,500
towards further proof why is there

3526
02:28:56,810 --> 02:28:54,480
anyone outside the immediate Dulce

3527
02:28:58,911 --> 02:28:56,820
periphery who is giving us for UFO

3528
02:29:01,730 --> 02:28:58,921
researchers valid clues about the

3529
02:29:04,970 --> 02:29:01,740
existence of an underground base or con

3530
02:29:07,161 --> 02:29:04,980
12 or graves you know fortunately you

3531
02:29:09,440 --> 02:29:07,171
know for me I was able to discover this

3532
02:29:12,171 --> 02:29:09,450
guy named Nuria Hayakawa back in March I

3533
02:29:15,740 --> 02:29:12,181
knew um Nuria was you know since 1989

3534
02:29:17,150 --> 02:29:15,750
I never talked to him but I would make a

3535
02:29:18,710 --> 02:29:17,160
myriad of connection

3536
02:29:21,890 --> 02:29:18,720
from areas that I would never even

3537
02:29:23,870 --> 02:29:21,900
imagine to you know to finalize this

3538
02:29:26,511 --> 02:29:23,880
picture of the reality that Dulce

3539
02:29:30,140 --> 02:29:26,521
represents once I got a guy involved who

3540
02:29:31,881 --> 02:29:30,150
had a skeptical perspective about what

3541
02:29:33,801 --> 02:29:31,891
was potentially there he doesn't believe

3542
02:29:36,490 --> 02:29:33,811
in reptilians he doesn't believe in

3543
02:29:39,020 --> 02:29:36,500
certain things and he does you know he

3544
02:29:42,080 --> 02:29:39,030
believes that you know well if you know

3545
02:29:44,360 --> 02:29:42,090
Nouriel he has very very strong you know

3546
02:29:46,240 --> 02:29:44,370
beliefs on what the military is doing

3547
02:29:48,530 --> 02:29:46,250
how they're involved with ufos

3548
02:29:50,390 --> 02:29:48,540
disinformation you know that that

3549
02:29:53,150 --> 02:29:50,400
they're feeding to us and who's being

3550
02:29:55,730 --> 02:29:53,160
fed this existed for disinformation of

3551
02:29:57,740 --> 02:29:55,740
whatnot so what I did here looking at

3552
02:29:59,720 --> 02:29:57,750
the possible external resources I found

3553
02:30:04,060 --> 02:29:59,730
what amounted to an interesting bit of

3554
02:30:07,190 --> 02:30:04,070
info that came from several people and

3555
02:30:10,131 --> 02:30:07,200
you know one of them was this former

3556
02:30:12,470 --> 02:30:10,141
military intelligence operative and an

3557
02:30:15,381 --> 02:30:12,480
author of several books you know

3558
02:30:17,270 --> 02:30:15,391
provocative books much like much like

3559
02:30:18,801 --> 02:30:17,280
Colonel LexA the guy goes by the main

3560
02:30:22,330 --> 02:30:18,811
commander action the two of you probably

3561
02:30:25,400 --> 02:30:22,340
know who I'm talking about yeah oh yeah

3562
02:30:26,990 --> 02:30:25,410
so commander annex for me you know

3563
02:30:29,900 --> 02:30:27,000
remain somewhat of a mystery because

3564
02:30:32,450 --> 02:30:29,910
he's more of an unconfirmed witness as

3565
02:30:37,190 --> 02:30:32,460
opposed to a whistleblower a men and

3566
02:30:39,320 --> 02:30:37,200
women commander who military

3567
02:30:41,511 --> 02:30:39,330
intelligence you can find them at

3568
02:30:43,850 --> 02:30:41,521
amazon.com right but it's just we all

3569
02:30:46,341 --> 02:30:43,860
know that's a fake I know that's a fake

3570
02:30:48,881 --> 02:30:46,351
okay I know who commander X is let's

3571
02:30:50,900 --> 02:30:48,891
just drop it okay

3572
02:30:55,460 --> 02:30:50,910
thank you for telling me that because

3573
02:30:57,500 --> 02:30:55,470
you know both with entrances to

3574
02:30:59,990 --> 02:30:57,510
subterranean tunnels underground alien

3575
02:31:02,660 --> 02:31:00,000
bases and he mentioned you know when we

3576
02:31:05,000 --> 02:31:02,670
confess something here now publish those

3577
02:31:06,890 --> 02:31:05,010
books no I'm not Commander X I know who

3578
02:31:11,301 --> 02:31:06,900
commander X is because I will tell you

3579
02:31:13,341 --> 02:31:11,311
this that during the early 1990s I did a

3580
02:31:15,710 --> 02:31:13,351
lot of the typography and production

3581
02:31:18,080 --> 02:31:15,720
work for Timothy Beckley and the books

3582
02:31:19,790 --> 02:31:18,090
he published global communications all

3583
02:31:22,881 --> 02:31:19,800
that kind of stuff into planetary news

3584
02:31:25,670 --> 02:31:22,891
service and I knew all about commander X

3585
02:31:28,100 --> 02:31:25,680
let's just leave it there and you know

3586
02:31:28,740 --> 02:31:28,110
what call it a house name call it a

3587
02:31:32,160 --> 02:31:28,750
house

3588
02:31:32,670 --> 02:31:32,170
I was publishing I was just synthesizing

3589
02:31:34,830 --> 02:31:32,680
data

3590
02:31:36,300 --> 02:31:34,840
I don't know this commander action but

3591
02:31:37,440 --> 02:31:36,310
he said something about Delfy I just

3592
02:31:39,090 --> 02:31:37,450
captured it wrote it down

3593
02:31:40,890 --> 02:31:39,100
punched it in with everybody else if

3594
02:31:42,750 --> 02:31:40,900
they didn't made heads or tails of it

3595
02:31:44,580 --> 02:31:42,760
that's all I did okay but I understand

3596
02:31:47,250 --> 02:31:44,590
though the reason I'm being skeptical

3597
02:31:50,640 --> 02:31:47,260
about this is because I want us to

3598
02:31:54,240 --> 02:31:50,650
realize that you know if you want to

3599
02:31:57,360 --> 02:31:54,250
have your specific story or evidence

3600
02:31:58,650 --> 02:31:57,370
considered valid you have to vet stuff

3601
02:32:00,720 --> 02:31:58,660
like this so you see something from a

3602
02:32:03,060 --> 02:32:00,730
Commander X don't assume it's real

3603
02:32:05,100 --> 02:32:03,070
because you know people just write books

3604
02:32:06,420 --> 02:32:05,110
for various reasons not necessarily

3605
02:32:08,940 --> 02:32:06,430
because they have valid information

3606
02:32:11,370 --> 02:32:08,950
sometimes it's just a rehash you know a

3607
02:32:13,470 --> 02:32:11,380
lot of times you see those names and all

3608
02:32:14,670 --> 02:32:13,480
they're doing is rehashing stuff listen

3609
02:32:17,580 --> 02:32:14,680
we only have a few minutes left

3610
02:32:19,590 --> 02:32:17,590
so let me ask you the book UFO Highway

3611
02:32:21,390 --> 02:32:19,600
give me like a two or three minutes

3612
02:32:23,460 --> 02:32:21,400
summary and tell us when it's coming out

3613
02:32:25,920 --> 02:32:23,470
it should be coming out by the end of

3614
02:32:29,370 --> 02:32:25,930
the summer again the book is essentially

3615
02:32:31,560 --> 02:32:29,380
about this experience of this colonel

3616
02:32:33,600 --> 02:32:31,570
who was part of this classified medical

3617
02:32:35,520 --> 02:32:33,610
detachment to respond to these type X

3618
02:32:36,870 --> 02:32:35,530
events and one of them involved this

3619
02:32:40,550 --> 02:32:36,880
interesting place called cells in New

3620
02:32:43,080 --> 02:32:40,560
Mexico and he has an involvement in this

3621
02:32:44,730 --> 02:32:43,090
saga it's well known side of behind

3622
02:32:46,050 --> 02:32:44,740
dulce but there's a lot of information

3623
02:32:48,210 --> 02:32:46,060
that is out there right now which is

3624
02:32:50,490 --> 02:32:48,220
according to him inaccurate and needs to

3625
02:32:52,110 --> 02:32:50,500
be corrected and it needs to be brought

3626
02:32:54,600 --> 02:32:52,120
to people's attention because of these

3627
02:32:56,070 --> 02:32:54,610
environmental disasters that are

3628
02:32:57,900 --> 02:32:56,080
occurring there and these human rights

3629
02:33:00,900 --> 02:32:57,910
violations that are kind I do know a

3630
02:33:03,780 --> 02:33:00,910
doctor who has been involved in an

3631
02:33:06,600 --> 02:33:03,790
aboveground study of the rates of cancer

3632
02:33:08,790 --> 02:33:06,610
I do agree with you Anthony there is a

3633
02:33:12,630 --> 02:33:08,800
real hidden story here in terms of the

3634
02:33:14,910 --> 02:33:12,640
environmental health effects of possibly

3635
02:33:18,390 --> 02:33:14,920
above-ground radiation below ground

3636
02:33:21,210 --> 02:33:18,400
radiation in the population in Dulce in

3637
02:33:23,040 --> 02:33:21,220
the Hickory Apache population and in the

3638
02:33:24,870 --> 02:33:23,050
surrounding area so you're absolutely

3639
02:33:28,770 --> 02:33:24,880
right there is a health crisis going on

3640
02:33:30,330 --> 02:33:28,780
there and I I commend you you know for

3641
02:33:33,360 --> 02:33:30,340
looking into this whole scenario I

3642
02:33:35,550 --> 02:33:33,370
really think it's important work and I

3643
02:33:38,040 --> 02:33:35,560
really appreciate you taking the time to

3644
02:33:39,751 --> 02:33:38,050
come on the show and hopefully we'll

3645
02:33:42,631 --> 02:33:39,761
we'll get to the bottom of

3646
02:33:44,820 --> 02:33:42,641
what's actually going on there a dulce

3647
02:33:46,081 --> 02:33:44,830
yeah thank you Chris and you know I want

3648
02:33:47,400 --> 02:33:46,091
to leave you with one thing to Chris

3649
02:33:50,220 --> 02:33:47,410
because I know you're researching this

3650
02:33:52,831 --> 02:33:50,230
in the Dulce area the one thing that the

3651
02:33:55,680 --> 02:33:52,841
colonel told me is that the there's a

3652
02:33:57,451 --> 02:33:55,690
big misconception that power supplied to

3653
02:33:59,011 --> 02:33:57,461
these underground facilities up there

3654
02:34:01,291 --> 02:33:59,021
and dulce comes from the dams like

3655
02:34:04,230 --> 02:34:01,301
Alvaro dam and Navajo dam they're not

3656
02:34:06,030 --> 02:34:04,240
these facilities used factory still 200

3657
02:34:08,310 --> 02:34:06,040
Potawatomi miniature nuclear reactors

3658
02:34:09,990 --> 02:34:08,320
called micro reactors they were designed

3659
02:34:11,881 --> 02:34:10,000
and created by Los Alamos National

3660
02:34:14,190 --> 02:34:11,891
Laboratories they've been in use for

3661
02:34:16,171 --> 02:34:14,200
over 30 years he says and what's amazing

3662
02:34:17,520 --> 02:34:16,181
is that the technology is only now

3663
02:34:20,820 --> 02:34:17,530
making its way into the commercial

3664
02:34:22,740 --> 02:34:20,830
domain these Dulce micro reactors are

3665
02:34:24,331 --> 02:34:22,750
only a few meters in diameter they only

3666
02:34:26,761 --> 02:34:24,341
require refueling once every 10 years

3667
02:34:27,810 --> 02:34:26,771
and they are ideal choices for the

3668
02:34:30,211 --> 02:34:27,820
creation of these deep underground

3669
02:34:32,850 --> 02:34:30,221
facilities and those can have some type

3670
02:34:34,350 --> 02:34:32,860
of adverse reaction on what's happening

3671
02:34:35,881 --> 02:34:34,360
to the people in and around the Dulce

3672
02:34:38,070 --> 02:34:35,891
area so I just thought I'd throw that

3673
02:34:39,600 --> 02:34:38,080
out to you well certainly if people are

3674
02:34:43,201 --> 02:34:39,610
being harmed we wanna know more about it

3675
02:34:47,100 --> 02:34:43,211
this book UFO highway when will it be

3676
02:34:49,190 --> 02:34:47,110
out should be out by the end of December

3677
02:34:51,900 --> 02:34:49,200
I got a call it my partner

3678
02:34:54,631 --> 02:34:51,910
commander X and see if he's going to be

3679
02:35:01,831 --> 02:34:54,641
willing to identify himself with me with

3680
02:35:03,990 --> 02:35:01,841
additional Colonel X oh my yeah I'm

3681
02:35:07,921 --> 02:35:04,000
really upset about that man because this

3682
02:35:09,720 --> 02:35:07,931
III I read into this commander X testing

3683
02:35:12,270 --> 02:35:09,730
and I don't even want to mention

3684
02:35:13,801 --> 02:35:12,280
commander access at all well having

3685
02:35:15,301 --> 02:35:13,811
mention it I'm not going to know I'm not

3686
02:35:16,621 --> 02:35:15,311
going to eliminate you brought in yeah

3687
02:35:18,810 --> 02:35:16,631
so the book should be out by the end of

3688
02:35:22,461 --> 02:35:18,820
December and I'm really excited about it

3689
02:35:24,661 --> 02:35:22,471
and I'm happy with the exposure that the

3690
02:35:26,220 --> 02:35:24,671
information is getting especially to

3691
02:35:29,520 --> 02:35:26,230
shows like the pair casts which are

3692
02:35:31,740 --> 02:35:29,530
critical to the success of you know UFO

3693
02:35:34,020 --> 02:35:31,750
research and it really really does a lot

3694
02:35:35,520 --> 02:35:34,030
it doesn't mean a lot to me to be on the

3695
02:35:37,621 --> 02:35:35,530
show so I want to thank both you and

3696
02:35:39,270 --> 02:35:37,631
Christine for for having me well we

3697
02:35:41,791 --> 02:35:39,280
appreciate having you and certainly I

3698
02:35:44,131 --> 02:35:41,801
hope you realize that we are very

3699
02:35:45,780 --> 02:35:44,141
serious about this and as a result we're

3700
02:35:48,480 --> 02:35:45,790
going to ask you hard questions so we're

3701
02:35:49,890 --> 02:35:48,490
going to delve into every single area

3702
02:35:51,100 --> 02:35:49,900
when the book comes out we're going to

3703
02:35:52,930 --> 02:35:51,110
have you on again

3704
02:35:55,150 --> 02:35:52,940
and go into areas where we have concerns

3705
02:35:56,950 --> 02:35:55,160
let me ask you a final question before

3706
02:35:58,750 --> 02:35:56,960
we let you go that is do you think the

3707
02:36:01,090 --> 02:35:58,760
colonel is ever going to come out and

3708
02:36:04,390 --> 02:36:01,100
say hi here's Who I am

3709
02:36:05,890 --> 02:36:04,400
etc etc I would hope so and one of the

3710
02:36:08,280 --> 02:36:05,900
things that I was actually hoping would

3711
02:36:10,480 --> 02:36:08,290
occur was that when the book comes out

3712
02:36:12,250 --> 02:36:10,490
somebody else other than the colonel who

3713
02:36:16,030 --> 02:36:12,260
worked there would also come out come

3714
02:36:18,040 --> 02:36:16,040
forward and say yeah I did work at TA d3

3715
02:36:20,590 --> 02:36:18,050
you know in part of a scientific

3716
02:36:23,860 --> 02:36:20,600
contingent or with the military that's

3717
02:36:26,500 --> 02:36:23,870
what I hope the book is called UFO

3718
02:36:28,990 --> 02:36:26,510
highway the co-hosts Chris O'Brien

3719
02:36:30,910 --> 02:36:29,000
Anthony Sanchez thank you for joining us

3720
02:36:33,250 --> 02:36:30,920
this week on thanks our guest thank you

3721
02:36:34,990 --> 02:36:33,260
guys before we go let me bring you up to

3722
02:36:37,860 --> 02:36:35,000
date on a few things next week we'll

3723
02:36:40,810 --> 02:36:37,870
have Michael Esposito he is an expert on

3724
02:36:43,390 --> 02:36:40,820
EVP and we're going to find out fair

3725
02:36:45,011 --> 02:36:43,400
exactly what kind of research he's done

3726
02:36:47,320 --> 02:36:45,021
we're going to play some of the sound

3727
02:36:49,650 --> 02:36:47,330
samples so you can get a picture as to

3728
02:36:53,710 --> 02:36:49,660
whether these are voices from beyond

3729
02:36:55,570 --> 02:36:53,720
voices created in the studio or so forth

3730
02:36:56,860 --> 02:36:55,580
and so on we're going to see exactly

3731
02:36:58,750 --> 02:36:56,870
what that's all about

3732
02:37:00,490 --> 02:36:58,760
also neighbors if you have something to

3733
02:37:02,410 --> 02:37:00,500
say about this week's episode please

3734
02:37:05,350 --> 02:37:02,420
post your thoughts at the power cast

3735
02:37:08,710 --> 02:37:05,360
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listening

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